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I explained why in my second post Mark. When I marry my girlfriend I want to exchange vows in a ceremony that is unique to a man and woman. I want it to be special and unique to us and not something me and Larry down the road could do if we wanted to. I have no problems with gay people expressing love or having rights under the lawI just want them to find their own way of representing that instead of taking something that has always been special between a man and a woman away from hetrosexuals. I feel it cheapens marriage. Its not about gay peoples desires. Its about my desires as a man who loves his girlfriend. Nowadays everybodies so wrapped up in political correctness nobody stops to ask themselves if it is worth it. Leave marriage to man and woman where its always been. Its one of the few special moments in a chaps life. Leave it be.

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Nobody made me anything free storm and I dont care about feeling unique. I am who I am and I have my own point of view. Thats all.

Who died and made you God? Feeling special? Go buy a stool and stand on it if you want to feel high. That's nuts! Marriage is a union between two people who love each other and that means being accepted. It has nothing to do with sex. And if you want to feel unique, go fly yourself to the moon or somewhere new coz nothing is new under the sun on earth.

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This is a late post but if you want to come and comment on something, at least do it intelligently. "Gender" is a social construct, it is something that exists only because we believe certain things to be true about the opposite "sex". Ex - boys wear blue and girls wear pink. Gender is constantly redefined in different cultures all over the world and there isn't much truth behind it because it is subjective. If you're going to make an argument against gay marriage, you may want to figure out the difference between sex and gender. Just a thought, or you can keep coming off as ignorant.

Considering we're talking about a God that condones slavery, smashing babies against a wall, genocide and a whole slew of other reprehensible things, the Bible is a pretty awful source of m1354orality.

What's wrong with it? It offends God, it's a DETESTABLE sin

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First of all-are you SURE there's no "gay gene?" You don't seem like the type who's regularly perusing scientific journals. You shouldn't make sweeping claims like that without the proper knowledge to back them up.
Secondly, what does it matter if it's a choice or not? There's nothing wrong with it. The "nature vs nurture" argument is irrelevant here. Two adults having a consensual relationship with consensual sex are not hurting anyone. You have no right to even think about regulating it. You don't have to agree with it-you just need to shut the hell up and not interfere. You're an idiot.

Is being straight a choice also? Why or why not?
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when you say "Accepted norm" you mean "Things I feel comfortable with based on the way I was brought up".
Sorry your upbringing was so closeted, but that's your problem not the rest of the world's.

I wouldnt personally call being gay a choice but the lifestyle they lead is certainly an alternative to the accepted norm. It should be viewed as just that in my opinion instead of trying to pretend that it holds the same meaning to the wider society as hetrosexuality. It doesnt, it simply holds meaning to the individual and it is that individuality that should be acknowledged. Indeed I would see not doing that as being discrimation but others seem to see it as being the other way around. We are discrimating against gays because we are not pretending that they are in the same relationship as straight couples. Its not any less valid to be gay but it is an alternative lifestyle. Why are people hellbent on covering their ears and ignoring that?

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Because when the Bible is contradicts the things we observe in the world around us, clearly it's the world that's wrong
Religious brainwashing at its finest.

Homosexuality is a choice. God (who is not Jezus) would not say "kill homosexuals" in Leviticus and then go make people gay. He would be leading them to death and being a hypocrite!
It is written "He made them MALE AND FEMALE FOR EACHOTHER"

Gayness is not a choice but I dont see why that should affect the marriage ceremony. Its good you are done because your not making any sense. You simply vaguely dismiss any point you dont agree with as self styled openminded people are prone to do.

What is natural law?

But just not gay?
So, to paraphrase this rather lengthy and rambling statement, you are denying gay marriage because it violates your interpretation of so-called natural law and at least partially on creationism. You believe gayness is a choice.
Okay, marriage is about reproduction FOR YOU. For sterile couples and the unfortunate but small proportion of the heterosexual culture it is about 2 people being in love and wanting it accorded the same respect as a heterosexual couple.
You are proclaiming your heterosexual, child-producing couple is more worthy of recognition and respect than any heterosexual or homosexual childless couple.
Good luck with that. Im done.

irrelevancy. I want her to be aware of and take pride in where she comes from and bring that pride to her own children. I also dont care if her children are blackwhite or purple with pink polka dots.

I assume your referring to interracial marriage. Being gay is not a race. The argument there was to keep racial purity. Thats not an issue with gay people for obvious reasons and only an idiot would think children raised by gay people would become gay because of itso its not applicable in this situation. It is about what marriage is and it is about rootsbloodlinesancestory descendents. The joining of two families. The continuance of family. Offspring. Its not society the excludes gay people from marriage. Its that marriage runs contradictory to the gay lifestyle. They cant reproduce together. Its that simple. Sure one could say the same for sterile couples but they are not a subculture. They are an unfortunate butb68 small proportion of the hetrosexual culture. Man and woman were specifically formed and created depending on ones beliefsto produce offspring together and throughout history dynasty after dynasty has done just that. I myself can trace my family history back centuries. Marriage after marriage completely randomly occurring and presently I am the product of that. I look at my daughter and I see the many generations yet to come. When gay couples can reproduce without any outside help then they have to be included in marriage. Until then they need to accept their lifestyle choice just as they had to accept their sexuality. I dont want my daughter growing up in a world where family and bloodties are an

Well then the topic seems to be beyond your comprehension Gah-freight.

I really don't know how this arguments been strung on this long cus it's simply that some people that are stopping gay marriage so why don't those people change? So that a group aren't restricted more than other groups. Marriage is like a social thing so is obviously not set in stone

kubrickation as has been repeatedly pointed out by many on this thread marriage has wider implications than simply being in love. Its a hollow pursuit of a perceived right that your talking about. Everybody has the right to be with who they love and everbody should ideally have the right to have that union recognised by law. Its only those who wis1c84h to remain ignorant that would perceive my points as bigotry. Instead of judging me perhaps one should stand back and look at the wider long term implications of what they are proposing to society as a whole.