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CrystalRaindrops — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 01:48 AM)

I learned about this from these two /. avatars:
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Zwarte Piet, also known in English by the translated name Black Pete, is the companion of Saint Nicholas in the folklore of the Low Countries. The earliest known illustration of the character comes from an 1850 book by Amsterdam schoolteacher Jan Schenkman in which he was depicted as a black Moor from Spain.
Those portraying the traditional version of Zwarte Piet usually put on blackface and colourful Renaissance attire in addition to curly wigs and bright red lipstick.
The Dutch are rapidly turning against the use of blackface for a popular festive character, with young people in particular saying it has no place in modern society, a survey showed Friday.
Zwarte Piet, or Black Pete, is the sidekick of Sinterklaas, or Saint Nicholas, whose feast day is celebrated in early December with presents and family celebrations – but his appearance has met increasing opposition.
Only one third (33 percent) of people now believe that Piet should sport his traditional costume of a jet-black painted face, red lips, an afro wig and large gold earring, the survey of 1,457 Dutch adults by I&O research said.
Six years ago when the first survey was carried out 65 percent of Dutch believed that the character should remain in blackface, the researchers said.
Support has even decreased from last year's 38 percent, the researchers said.
Four percent said the character should be completely abolished while 55 percent said his appearance should change – whether gradually or immediately to a so-called 'Chimney Pete' with soot smears on the cheeks, or to no skin paining at all.
Protests by anti-racism campaigners have become a yearly occurrence during parades to mark the "arrival" of Sinterklaas in the Netherlands in November.
While there has been a noticeable increase in soot-smeared Piets in recent years, characters in full blackface can still be seen dancing through major cities.
Zwarte Piet is also traditional in neighbouring Belgium.
The survey said young Dutch people were especially opposed to the blackface tradition, with support dropping from 34 percent in 2018 to 19 percent this year in the 18-34 age group.
"I used to think nothing strange about Zwarte Piet, but in retrospect it is quite strange," the survey quoted one unnamed young adult as saying.
Dutch people with heritage from the Netherlands' former Caribbean and South American colonies were also strongly opposed, with 25 percent in favour of Zwarte Piet and 17 percent in favour of complete abolition.
Support also divided along political lines, with a large majority (79 percent) of voters for the far-right parties of anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders and pro-Kremlin Covid conspiracist Thierry Baudet wanting to keep the character in blackface.
The Netherlands has recently been reckoning with its history as a colonial and slave-trading power, and is reportedly set to make a formal apology for slavery later in December.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/topic/13086/i-learned-about-this-from-these-two-avatarsRSS for NodeWed, 13 May 2026 14:57:55 GMTSat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:00 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT]]>Innocent User — 1 year ago(December 23, 2024 04:10 PM)

I kinda like how this sorta gives the finger to the woke crowd.
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]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126103https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126103Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT]]>CrystalRaindrops — 1 year ago(December 25, 2024 01:07 AM)

You too!

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126102https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126102Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT]]>WarrenPeace — 1 year ago(December 24, 2024 05:10 PM)

Stay safe hun.
"Please vote to preserve the unique character of Warren…" - Robert Duvall

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126101https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126101Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT]]>CrystalRaindrops — 1 year ago(December 23, 2024 09:30 PM)

Something to look forward to!

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126100https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126100Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT]]>WarrenPeace — 1 year ago(December 23, 2024 08:28 PM)

With Turd Lump back in the WH they won't have to be private for the next four years!
BLM, baby!
Blackface
Lives
Matter
"Please vote to preserve the unique character of Warren…" - Robert Duvall

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126099https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126099Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT]]>CrystalRaindrops — 1 year ago(December 23, 2024 04:07 PM)

Some people probably do it the US too, but mostly in private Netherlandic-American social clubs.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126098https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126098Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT]]>WarrenPeace — 1 year ago(December 23, 2024 12:30 PM)

I kinda like how this sorta gives the finger to the woke crowd.
Even if this was somehow a time honored tradition in America it would get cancelled today.
So good thing they have it there.
"Please vote to preserve the unique character of Warren…" - Robert Duvall

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126097https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126097Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT]]>CrystalRaindrops — 1 year ago(December 23, 2024 02:33 AM)

bumping a thread from almost two years ago since people were discussing the topic earlier

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126096https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126096Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT]]>Slug Bait — 3 years ago(January 14, 2023 05:10 AM)

Oh yes, my mum went to see these when she was a child. Said they scared the **** out of her. She had Dutch parents.
Just because I'm not on THEIR side, doesn't mean I'm on YOURS.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126095https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126095Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT]]>pglynn — 3 years ago(January 03, 2023 04:59 PM)

Good grief!

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126094https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126094Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT]]>/.​ — 3 years ago(January 03, 2023 01:23 AM)

It explains the origins of the tradition, that's all.
You're crazy stupid, bro.
My password is password

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126093https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126093Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT]]>/.​ — 3 years ago(January 03, 2023 01:22 AM)

It doesn't.
My password is password

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126092https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126092Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT]]>WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 02:11 PM)

Yes it does.
Figure it out.
"Please vote to preserve the unique character of Warren…" - Robert Duvall

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126091https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126091Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT]]>/.​ — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 08:21 AM)

Thanks, but that doesn't really explain the intent.
My password is password

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126090https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126090Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT]]>CrystalRaindrops — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 08:06 AM)

The earliest known illustration of the character comes from an 1850 book by Amsterdam schoolteacher Jan Schenkman in which he was depicted as a black Moor from Spain.
Who were the black Moors of Spain?
The Moors were Muslims who invaded Spain and part of France in 711 AD, in the very early days of Islam.
Beginning in the Renaissance, “Moor” and “blackamoor” were also used to describe any person with dark skin.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126089https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126089Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT]]>/.​ — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 07:43 AM)

What's the intent behind the black face?
My password is password

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126088https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126088Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT]]>CrystalRaindrops — 3 years ago(January 03, 2023 01:17 AM)

Yes. I just like to share things I find interesting, but some people always assume everyone has an agenda with anything they post.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126087https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126087Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT]]>WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 02:09 PM)

I think you were just posting an unusual story to be sharing something based on an avatar that piqued your curiosity.
You rarely, if ever, get political and do all you can to avoid arguments and confrontation.
Though sometimes I think you may subliminally suggest something left wingish in what you share.
To me this black face looks a lot more tame and not meant to mock as others have.
Though I do wonder why they don't have a black person instead.
Are there not enough and they can't find one?
"Please vote to preserve the unique character of Warren…" - Robert Duvall

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126086https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126086Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT]]>CrystalRaindrops — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 06:19 AM)

It's really egotistical of you guys to think I posted this to get you to be offended.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126085https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126085Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT]]>MovieManCin2 — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 06:17 AM)

Neither do I.
MAGA! FAFO! 😎 Schrodinger's Cat walks into a bar, and doesn't. 😎 Dumbocraps: evil people who celebrate murder. 😠

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126084https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126084Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:02 GMT]]>WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 04:30 AM)

Agreed.
Not my battle and I don't care to be offended by this.
"Please vote to preserve the unique character of Warren…" - Robert Duvall

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126083https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126083Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:02 GMT]]>MovieManCin2 — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 03:13 AM)

Meh.
MAGA! FAFO! 😎 Schrodinger's Cat walks into a bar, and doesn't. 😎 Dumbocraps: evil people who celebrate murder. 😠

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126082https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126082Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:02 GMT]]>CrystalRaindrops — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 06:22 AM)

Interesting! Too bad other people who shall remain nameless think the worst when we try to share intriguing info about the world around us!

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126081https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/126081Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I learned about this from these two /. avatars: on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:08:02 GMT]]>unex — 3 years ago(January 02, 2023 02:39 AM)

Iran has a similar thing. Amu Nowruz as their Santa Claus:
and Hajji Firuz as their Zwarte Piet:

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