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<p dir="auto"><strong>patmss</strong> — <em>13 years ago(February 19, 2013 08:00 AM)</em></p>
<p dir="auto">If Baxter wasn't real, despite all the physical evidence to the contrary, then was his love for Cecilia real?<br />
I don't know how stupid that question may seem on the outset, but I keep thinking about it and thought I'd bring it to the board.<br />
So everything about Baxter was "created". His personality, his romanticism, his outlook on life, his un-muss-able quality, basically, whatever he brought to the physical world. So that would mean his love or any emotion he has for Cecilia is a result of someone's carefully thought-out imagination. Everything he says and does is essentially programmed, in a way, as he, himself, has addressed in the movie. We're all very aware.<br />
BUT there's this part of me that keeps thinking, yes, he was a creation rather than a human being, he has been programmed to feel certain things and act in a certain way, but those are still HIS "feelings" aren't they? After having his personality thought-out for him, isn't he in charge then of how that personality is utilized? I had that same dilemma with Bicentennial Man. Was Williams really human at the end?<br />
I sufficiently don't make sense now. I'm sorry I made you read that. Again, this isn't a question of Cecilia's choice, but whether or not Baxter's love was real.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Very well said. I had some similar thoughts as well while watching. I too appreciate the way Allen seems to inject certain social mores into his films without sounding too didactic. I hate preachy dialogues and musings. Sometimes, you can feel some movies trying so hard to be relevant and insightful. I think it probably helps that his characters are believably conflicted/socially awkward. They don't come off as someone TRYING to be an outcast. So many of today's actors can't pull it off. I mean, today, when people are trying to be "awkward", they actually seem like they're probably cool and aloof in real life.<br />
I'm not too overly analytical when it comes to watching movies really. The great thing about film is that it keeps me off pragmatic, worldly brain activity when I need a break from reality (even with those films when you have to think, at the core, I'm still really watching to be entertained). I just had that nagging thought in my head. I was trying to convince myself to not feel too bad for Baxter, since he's not a real person. I just couldn't help reasoning that what he felt was, in fact, real.<br />
I'm glad you brought up the show of freewill with Baxter stepping out of the film. I was trying to think of specific instances when he broke out of the "programming" to try and highlight how not everything is a construction for him. I was struggling with that a bit, which was sort of a point against his love being real all together. I was just thinking too much about specific actions and instances, rather than the bigger act of him walking out of the film.</p>
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