TKDR was just too convoluted. It seems Nolan tried to put a 2 movies story into one. The result was a mess with some good moments.
I liked Phantasm, but I don't see the big deal. The love story was too corny and the Phantasm itself was like, to quote another IMDB user, "a Scooby Doo vilain".
The bits about Bruce's internal struggle and the Joker were great, though.

Explain why Schumacher's films are of less quality then TDKR. I like the Avengers better then catwoman, because like TDKR, catwoman was a piece of beep

Funny coming from someone who has Schumacher's Batman movies rated above TDKR. You have no credibility with movie tastes after that.
You probably think Halle Berry's Catwoman is better than 2012's The Avengers.

more like your taste in film

Your rankings are horrendous.

best to worst,

1. Batman 89
2. Batman Begins
3. Mask of the Phantasm
4. Returns
5. Dark Knight
6. Batman 66
7. Forever
8. Batman and Robin
9. TDKR
   Not even joking. TDKR is a huge dissapointment and the worst batman film I've ever seen.

As this thread has already proven, you're definitely not alone.
Mask of the Phantasm
is not only my favourite
Batman
movie, but my favourite superhero movie at all. And this is coming from someone who doesn't even really like Batman.
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I like this more as well, but I still enjoy DARK KNIGHT RISES. I'm not sure which film I prefer, this or DARK KNIGHT. This animated Batman/Bruce Wayne is still the best in my opinion. I've never really be a Christian Bale Batman fan, and it's not just his voice. His Bruce Wayne seems to be a terrible business man, and he pretty much gives up Batman. One of the things I like about BATMAN FOREVER actually was that it was the first time Bruce really embraced Batman, not as a way to avenge his parents, but because he can do good in the world.
I don't think there needs to be a love story at all in a Batman film, and frankly that whole thing with Rachel in the Nolan trilogy was stupid. Bruce should've known since BATMAN BEGINS they had no future together.
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I hated TDKR. It was too long, 1000 plots that weren't needed and it suffers from the typical Nolan weakness, the "analysis" of these so called "deep" films are presented in front of the viewer instead of it being like normal people talking and letting the analysis work itself out for the viewer. In that sense it fails as a "realistic portrayal of Batman" and it fails as a blockbuster because nothing about the film allows you to relax.
Mask Of The Phantasm, I only hated one thing about it. The pacing is too fast; I know this was back in the day of hand drawn animation but much of the love scenes are too fast that they never get a chance to breathe. Besides that, I enjoyed just about everything. The voice acting is virtually flawless, the animation is fantastic, the story is top notch (although it still could've worked as a 3 part episode in the show), I would rate it as my 2nd favourite Batman film. Right under the 1989 one.
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Frankly this movie, The Animated Series and the Arkham Games are all better than any of the Live Action movies. I felt the only Live Action film that got batman remotely right was Batman Begins. Hell Batman had Better Detective skills in the 1966 Batman series then in all of TDK or TDKR.

While Nolan did create a solid trilogy out of his Dark Knight movies, (even with all the flaws), this is still a superior film.
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This should be remastered and released in theaters, again.
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I have had "The Dark Knight Rises" since it was released & still have not gotten past the 1/2 hour mark.
Yet I have watched "Worlds Finest" The Batman/Superman movie 3 times & GL:TAS all 26 episodes 3 times yet Nolans film is too long & long winded & I do not like Christian Bale. He was OK as American Psycho but he is just does not do it for me.
I actually did see this on the big screen & Andrea's speech at the end had me sobbing!!
Batman: Your father's dead, isn't he? You came into town early to get Chuckie Sol, so you could shift the blame to your father if necessary.
Andrea Beaumont: They took everything, Bruce. My father, my friends, my life, you. I'm not saying it's right, or even sane but it's all I have left! So either help me, or get out of the way!
Batman: You know I can't do that.
Andrea Beaumont: Look what they did to us! What we could have had! They had to pay!
Batman: But Andy what will vengeance solve?
Andrea Beaumont: If anyone knows the answer to that, Bruce, it's you.
[silent pause]
Batman: Leave, Andy, now. Please.
Sorry I can't get that in BOLD but that was one of the best speeches ever given in the entire DC universe!!
Also Dana Delaney (she is Andrea & Lois Lane (in superman:TAS)) she has a great voice & I guess I will have to watch some regular TV so see her in action.
At any rate MASK OF THE PHANTASM is the best DVD so far!!

I like Mask Of The Phantasm much more than any of the Nolan Batman films.
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No this was a much better witten and more focused film then TDKR..infact I will go out on a limb and say TDKR was a dreadful movie. This however was an awesome flim that more people need to see.

I like it better too.

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I totally agree! MOTP is still the best animated Batman film yet!
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I just had a MOTP hankering and for me THIS is the best Batman/Bruce Wayne rendition on film.
One aspect of the movie NOT talked about is the film score, songs and voice work. Just outstanding!!
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mask of the phantom > TDKR
TDKR is a crap of a movie, its a copy cat of TDK hense why talia is a twist villian all of a sudden just like two face was in TDK but it simply did not work for the movie. the story is actually pretty degrading to batman at the very beginning since why would he spend 7 years as cripple when hes a billionarie and could have fixed that way early in time and is a wimped depressed bitch for rachel who is dead and seems to not get over it, yeah it just pure crap
MOTP is easily in top 5 of best batman film

To me, this remains the best Batman theatrical movie by a long shot.
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I like this more than TDKR and Batman Begins.
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