"Once a Hooker, always a Hooker"
the coins in the jar are for charity,
the coins in the tray are for sharing

My brother's wife and Ginger shared many similarities. Chronic spender, surreptitious thief, girlish histrionics to falsely win sympathies, consistently calling an 'old friend' to go out with or shoulder to cry on. If you were to isolate the DeNiro/Stone scenes, I thought I was watching a documentary of their marriage. All you would have to do is swap the lavish Vegas backdrop & 70's fashions for modern standard clothes amidst a drab suburban backdrop you get the idea. To be fair, she never tied up either of her kids, but she is verbally abusive and belittling/ demeaning to my nephew.
In short, the answer to your question is a firm yes.
Ace should have taken a clue from the fact that the very first act he ever saw Ginger perform was one of betrayal, making a scene, and wrecking organization (scattering entire trays of poker chips). I mean hello. These things are not coincidences.

who why the hell someone on this planet can tie up her own child and lock the door? you get it? she is psycho, if not a leech, which she is.

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Yes that's when the marriage started to fall apart and when Ginger became an alkie and a junkie and a cheater (with Nick). Having Lester beaten to a pulp in front of her eyes was the dumbest thing Sam ever did (along with not re-hiring Don in some capacity).
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No.
Sam should have her and Lester killed and be done with it
Prepare to be judged.with a FGM-148 Javelin!

Do you think that if Sam Rothstein did NOT have her boyfriend pimp Lester Diamond beaten up then the relationship between him and her would have gone into a different, and better, direction?

I'm happy to see this thread. I love this movie and something I've always pointed out to my friends who've watched it with me is this: she was a hooker. I get that. She was a hustler. Why didn't she think of Sam as her long-term, last client? Since that's how she rolls, why didn't she think of Sam as her "dream job?"
"We want the finest wines available to humanity. We want them here and we want them now."

I fell bad for her daughter. Yes I have known someone like her character.

Ginger was one of the worst characters in this movie and that's saying a lot. She had no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Utah! Get me two.

I'm usually predisposed toward taking the woman's side, but the saying goes: "marry for money and you earn every cent of it."
Well, Ginger didn't want to do her job.
She wanted all the money and jewelry and furs and perks and benefits and status and prestige of the position, but she didn't want to put in the work.
She kept saying "We had a deal! We had deal!" and she was right, but her part of that deal was not just "produce a baby and keep your looks up and then you can have carte blanche to do anything you wantdrugs, affairs, supporting another man on her husband's dime, tying her kid to the bed so she could go out, etc.
I'm actually quite surprised to see so much sympathy for her here. Yes, she had a horrible beginning, but golden opportunities fell into her lapincluding divorce from Sam, with a huge payoutand she wasted it all.

"once a hooker always a hooker"

I feel for you. Your mother sounds soulless. I wonder if something awful happened to her when she was a child.
"My life is over. I might as well dance with Johnny Slash!"

Hated her so much throughout. Have you lot come across any men/women like her?
Unfortunately so, she's exactly like this person I came across in later life called my mother. The main difference being that my mother is one of those who never managed to bag the successful man, and has only a tiny portion of Ginger's charisma.
After she had disappeared without any word for 7 years I managed to contact her to let her know my father had passed. Her first concern was wanting me to give her my father's TV set (because she thought it was the most valuable thing of his she could get) and made this ridiculous story up that she had in fact bought it herself.
I think that story summarises just how selfish sufferers of histrionic personality disorder can be.

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All that is true, but she is also a total leech.

They were all leaches. All immoral and souless. The difference is Ginger's only power was her sex appeal. The men had all the power. That was the big difference.

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Exactly!
Prepare to be judged.with a FGM-148 Javelin!

She tied her daughter to the bed. She was taking drugs instead of being a mother and was only sober 2 hours a day. She rather be with an beep who shouted at her daughter instead of a stable guy. She cheated on her husband and stole his money. She spend 2 millions in a few months on drugs and did not care about her daughter. She tried to get her husband killed. I don't care about what the other guys did, she was an awful human being - the worst in the movie if you ask me. She was a thief and crazy before she was convinced to marry a rich guy. Why? Because she did everything her pimp told her even getting married or stealing money. Who are you to judge her? Give me a break. An beep is an beep no matter what gender or race.

As Joe Friday used to say, "just the facts". You could also say that Nicky was a loving father (Ginger was a godawful mother), but that mitigates nothing. Sam wasn't the one who spit in the sandwich. I think he really wanted to believe that he could have a good loving marriage with Ginger, but he was deluding himself. He also paid for his choices. I've always thought that people who gamble at casinos are, to put it bluntly, rather dumb, because the whole point of the business is to MAKE money, not LOSE money to the suckers.

Awwwwww.you're so cruel!
Yes, I know Ginger's a trial and she did spiral into some really really bad choices, and I agree addicts are responsible for their own actions. But she was genuinely hurting inside, at least, and devastated about someone she loved (Lester) getting hurt. That seems to be what triggers her real slide into using Sam's painkillers.
In contrast, Nicky beat someone for two days then put their head in a vice! At least our little Ginger, even in her worst moments, didn't do anything like THAT!
On another note.how scummy (if at all) is Sam? You could say he's leaching off the entire population, as he knows they'll lose in his casino.but that's our American way : ) Does he do anything really bad in the movie, aside from break his promise to Ginger to let her go and take care of her financially if the marriage doesn't work out? (It's such a long movie and Sam's in so much of it, I can't remember everything he did.) (Oh God.is he the one who spits in the cop's sandwich?? I can't even watch that scene.the thought alone makes me hurl.)
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Okay, I should have said "as a consequence of her actions". The point remains that she chose to do the things she did, and she wound up paying the price for those choices, just as Nicky did. I say to hell with both of them.

Sat March 28 2015 13:04:20
Where did I say anything about "deserving"?
In this same thread:
Wed Dec 17 2014 21:25:29
Yes, I will criticize her. She wound up where she deserved to bedead.
Emotionally, I have sympathy for both Ginger and Sam. as they both suffer from unrequited love. (She did tie up her daughter which was dangerous and NOT okay, obviouslybut at least she was presumably under the influence.)
Nicky, not so much. He's a total pig and a killerthough one could argue he's loyal when he tries to patch things up between Sam and his wife when she's in L.A. (It's also probable he just does that because it's in his best interest.)
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Where did I say anything about "deserving"? As Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, deserve's got nothing to do with it. She died as the result of her idiotic choices. Actions have consequences. I don't have much sympathy for people who make such choices. And just to satisfy your apparent zeal for "fairness", I felt no sympathy for Nicky either.