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Try the movie Prick Up Your Ears with Gary Oldman.

The sex scenes are wonderful. This is one of the few gay films i like that protray gays in a different light, instead of that prissy, flaming queen way, which I dispise. I cant wait for hollywood to make a gay film where they show everything, and not hold back. It would be very interesting!

technically that isn't true. there were lots of bisexuals. they just didn't have a name for it.
just saying. don't mean anything by it.

huh huh, lol, killing gayslol

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hu huh, Lol, huh hu, gays
The end of the 19th century actually witnessed the birth of the viable homosexual identity (Chauncey's Gay New York). Before this, being "closeted" or not was not really the issue. Before there was ever an actual homosexual identity, there were no bisexuals or homosexuals, on homosexual/bisexual actions. Instead, sexuality was conceived of as range or scale, with male to male contact being at one end, and male to female contact on the other. True, many were sentenced to death or lesser punishmnets for the crime of Buggery, but often these prosecutions had more political implications than prudish(B.R. Burg's work).

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"Bisexuals were just unheard of in those days"
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That could be the single most ignorant comment I have ever read.
"In our wings that bark, flashing teeth of brass, standing tall in the dark" - David Bowie

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i love it when guys make out.

Bisexuals were unheard of in those days!!!!!??????

No, this is the big problem with attaching terms like "gay" and "straight" to a different culture. In Sparta, the men would have "relationships" (not actual sex though, that was outlawed and punishable by exile or suicide, it was an insult to Sparta) to strengthen their bond so that they would fight harder. The lover (Greek homosexual relationships were almost exclusively pederastic) would train the boy to fight. But they were not gay. They wed women and reproduced. To be in a pederastic relationship was common for the wealthy, and it was part of their education to choose a lover. This was not considered in conflict with marrying, because the relationship would be over by the time the boy came of age, replaced by a bond of friendship.

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Leonardo Devinci was gay so were most of the population in ancient sparta for that matter, if you do ancient history. So definitely not unheard of. It wasnt accepted as a part of your identity in the same way as it is today though.
Oh and I heard about this movie after talking about Brokeback Mountain with a friend. I loved LOVED that movie. For anyone who has seen total eclipse, are they similar?? If i liked that one will I like this one?

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does that mean he wasn't a breeder!?
Kiwiboy62
"Someone get off my leg, will you?"
Mike Rogo

Walt Whitman was a definite pillow biter.

I don't think it makes much sense to use today's definition of "gay" when talking about people who existed in a time when there was no gay identity. Back then it wasn't considered to be a part of someone's identity. It was considered to be a kind of mental illness, something that had to be cured, like lots of sexual disorders today. You can't really talk about them being gay from today's perspective. And it's not been proven that Walt Whitman was gay. That's just something that's been speculated based on his writing. When I had film classes in college I had to study some of this "queer theory" and I must say that to me it sounds like a lot of BS. It seems like these gay analyzers want certain people to be gay so they can say "look this person was gay and a genius." I don't buy into that stuff. Just because some guy is sensitive or expresses non-sexual love for his fellow men in poems (as Walt Whitman did) doesn't make him gay. To me they're just trying to say that there were a lot of brilliant gay people in history and looking for anything that slightly hints at someone being gay as the basis for it. Who cares what their sexuality was. If you don't know then you don't know. Speculation is pointless. It detracts from the individual's accomplishments.

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Hello Holden!
Goethewas gay/bisexual? Wheres this information from? Please tell me! Im German, but Ive never heard that fact at school. Or elsewhere. We were told about Goethes affairs with /women/, and his later marriage to Mrs. Vulpius, and his /friendship/ with other male writers, especially Schiller. But gay aspects? No, no, nada. Really, where is your information from? ( I dont want to criticize you, Im curious. )

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and Oscar Wilde spent two years in prison for what?
They were "heard of" barely and were wise to keep it that way.

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