I am a woman and i absolutely agree with what you said
"I think I liked it better when I thought Sylar ate brains." -Warriorrenegade

Oh I just think there are hardly any babies that aren't cute.
I always like a mother more when she turns to the screen showing her child, and smiles with pride.
Gee Woodle, Space Kadoodle!

I would disagree most are cute. Some are. A lot aren't. My point is Maury doesn't need to say it to make the mom feel good.

Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.

Most of the kids really are cute. That isn't even an issue.
What gets me, is how many cheat with their "ex". Hey, I think that if someone is having sex with someone, they are not an "ex"!

Exactly!

Yeah he always has to say how cute the kids is. Maury, we have eyes, you aren't helping anyone.

Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.

Gotta love it when "Murray" says about a kid.
"Demetrioustyroneus then started to deny 1 day old Demetriostyroneus JRlook at himHow cute is heHeh heh
Lol

^Says the person too afraid to list anything specific to debate about because the truth hurts unless you choose to deny it.

Maury was a terrible, stupid damn show. But not as stupid as the OP or this thread.
WORDS MEAN THINGS!

2. Unfair circumstance for the men: If a man doesn't have a say in whether or not the mother aborts (or puts the child up for adoption) the baby, then he should not have to promise Maury that he'll take care of a baby when a DNA test proves that a one night stand suddenly gets him stuck with a child that could have been 5 other guys'. Is it fair that men are suddenly called up and told that a woman he slept with a year ago and hasnt been with since suddenly accuses him of being the father?
   So true, you should both agree to have it, or she is on her own
3. Women running backstage: WTF is that!! "MarkYOU ARRRE..not the father" aaaand cue the skank running backstage so that the audience cant boo her after she claims: "Maury, I am 10,000% sure he IS the father of my baby!!!" (so sure she had to say it while clapping her hands at every syllable). Then here comes Maury with his "Mark, get away can't you see she's upset! Stop rubbing it in her face, she only flew you all the way out here, called you out on national television, smacked you up a bit, called your mom a bitch who needs to mind her own business, had an audience of people boo you (cuz theyre all ethically perfect apperently), and acted like a little miss knowitall throughout the whole process, leave her alone she doesnt deserve any ridicule!"
   This is what makes this comedy show so funny, fat cow runs to the back, falls down, and makes bellowing cow like noises
   You Have a Hard Lip, Herbert..
   Better Living Thru Chemistry

See, that's debatable. A mother can say that it'd be best for the child if she and the father took responsibility, while the father believes it'd be best for the child to be given to an adoptive (read: stable) family. But no, the mother keeps it, works a dead end job, receives government aid, collects money from the father (making him stoop lower socioeconomically) since they can't make their relationship work, and the child is then going back and forth from mom's house to dad's house every 4 days. So now, who is selfish and is this all better for the child in actuality? Is it better for society? How is making two people less financially stable better for society?
I agree with you now. I didn't think of that because I was thinking more of my own family and how that worked out.

But what I meant was that both parents should take responsibility for the kid because they both acted irresponsibly by having unprotected sex with a person they barely know.
I also agree that they should share the responsibility - and the first part of that responsibility is how to handle the situation before birth. And yet women have full say in that matter, which is contradictory to the equal rights parents are supposed to have.
That would be the best thing for the child, not the stupid, selfish parents.
See, that's debatable. A mother can say that it'd be best for the child if she and the father took responsibility, while the father believes it'd be best for the child to be given to an adoptive (read: stable) family. But no, the mother keeps it, works a dead end job, receives government aid, collects money from the father (making him stoop lower socioeconomically) since they can't make their relationship work, and the child is then going back and forth from mom's house to dad's house every 4 days. So now, who is selfish and is this all better for the child in actuality? Is it better for society? How is making two people less financially stable better for society?
Things that are directly and strongly related to crime (both juvenile and adult) and/or lower quality of life: poverty, maladjusted youth, broken homes, incompatible parents, cramped households, overpopulation, higher taxes.
Things that would be reduced if both parents had
equal
say in whether to keep/adopt/abort: poverty, maladjusted youth, broken homes, incompatible parents, cramped households, overpopulation, higher taxes.

You actually made some good points.
But what I meant was that both parents should take responsibility for the kid because they both acted irresponsibly by having unprotected sex with a person they barely know. That would be the best thing for the child, not the stupid, selfish parents. I didn't mention abortion on purpose in hopes of avoiding a debate.

Agree with all your points but the second one. It's just as much the men's fault for not using a condom.
That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that it is unfair for a woman to have 100% say in whether or not she is going to raise the baby, sometimes without telling or knowing who the father is and then using HER decision to alter the man's life forever once she proves he's the father. Keeping men in the loop before the baby arrives is key and should be enforced by law.
Look at Janelle from Teen Mom 2. She's recently had an abortion without telling the father that she was ever pregnant. Is it fair she aborted the child without telling him? What if he wanted to keep the baby had he known? If he had a right to keeping the baby then he also has the right to say "No, I cannot raise this baby, I want you to get an abortion or give the child up for adoption." Oh wait, only women have the right to make that decision even though as we both agree, "it's just as much the men's fault for not using a condom" (or the condom failing, or the woman lying about being on BC, because women haven't lied for the child payments before)
How would women like it if men could say "I know you don't want that baby, but you're going to carry it to term, AND you're going to help me at least financially in raising it". Now I know women bear the hardship of being pregnant/giving birth, but that is nothing compared to actually raising the child - and it sure as hell doesn't mean mommy is more of a parent than daddy. Yet dads who want an abortion or to give the child up for adoption have ZERO say in that. If that's the way people want it then fine, but don't ask for his money when YOU'RE making the decision to raise the child. It's an injustice to him and society overall by creating more poverty, which goes hand and hand with more crime and poorer quality of life.
It's a double standard to only honor the woman's decisions, and then turn around and say BOTH parents are responsible for the well being of the child. Are you arguing that men don't deserve the same rights as women when it comes to what is EQUALLY theirs?

Agree with all your points but the second one. It's just as much the men's fault for not using a condom.
And I still occasionally use the line "Why are you making it complicated? IT'S EASY!" That commercial made me LOL every time.
And another thing I hate is just how dumb people are in general. You find condoms and underwear and someone even called you can told you they had sex with your boyfriend but you don't know for sure if he's cheating. Your kid is a different ethnicity than you and your partner and you don't know for sure if you're the father. Your out of control teen is disrespecting you and all you do about it is cry and bring them on television to show how much you failed etc.

I love when the guests call Maury "Murray". That's not his name, Sha'Quita.

Watching The Maury Show makes me feel better about myself.

Things I find stupid/annoying:

1. When a female has tested five men to find out the father of her child and yet she still yelling and screaming I'm not a hoe. And when she actually find the father then she starts shaking her ass on the splits. WTF?!?
2. When the females are having their men take a lie ditector test and after every question they tell the truth on they say "That don't mean nothing; there's more question". Like they want them to be cheating.
3. The audience; I don't even want to type all the annoying things about them.
4. Trisha G. and that one Snoopy looking dude.
   5)When the females are like "yup I'm getting that child support". Give the man a chance to be in the childs life; you was boinking 10 dudes of course he wants a DNA test.
5. Stupid guest all together. How can you find panties (that's not your size) and a used condom (yall don't use condoms) in your mans care and say "I don't know if he cheating".
6. The fact that these people would go onto national TV and make themselves and their whole family look stupid and just eww.
7. So pretty much the entire show annoys me, but I can't stop watching the DNA test episodes. lol
   Alright, I guess this is the night bitches die.

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I loved this post, rookie21. It made me laugh, not because it's dumb/bad by any means, but because it's all true. Especially the bits about the college and Maury commercials, lol!

Yeah, so maybe I oversimplified.
I still have a point on the double standards, though. Right?

I understand what you are saying and I would encourage him to take care of that other child too and I would love to have contact with the baby. But not with him. the guy is a jerk, I say I"ll deal with your baby but not you. I had a boyfriend years ago whom I found was a deadbeat dad. I encouraged him to see his son and most of the time I had to force him. His ex hated me and she had no idea that if it wasn't for me his son would never see him. And if I had children I would make sure they were in contact with the secret sibling, but nothing says I have to deal with the guy.
Another point I want to make that I feel people over look. My definition of a bad mom and dad is clearly different then a lot of the people on that show. And I know a few people in life who just settled. They think bringing some pampers over and a booty call is being a good parent. But the problem arises because a lot of these kids really think the dad or mother are good parents and it is carried over to the next generation.
How many times have we heard some one declare on Maury "I take care of mine" and the women agrees? Meanwhile he has 4 other kids and works nowhere or barely. Take care means he comes over once a week , tells her he loves her have sex and leave a few bags of pampers.

Ever see the ones where the "lie detecter" proves that a man had a "secret love child with another woman" to his wife/gf?
Maury to wife/gf: "Do you think you can still be with this man?"
Wife/gf: "No! I can't be with him if he has a baby."
Maury: "OK, then."
Audience: cheers
Where's the encouragement there to love a step-child? How is this any worse? In fact, I'll dare to say that the woman has it better - she won't be forced/pressured into any obligation to raise support the child. At most, just let the kid visit every other weekend.
And yeah, anyone who thinks this is feminism is either stupid or deluded. It's just a man-bashing, woman-coddling theme in order to bring in ratings. They know women are the majority of their audience, like you said, so they want to appeal to them. "Counter-sexism" is not empowerment.

Cdon you read my mind That is the one thing I say too. A big difference. I wish someone would say to him one day.
To address some of the other people in this thread. I have been in the audience of some of these shows. I lived in NY they were free so you go. First off they tell the audience how and what to say. So the audience doesn't believe the women all of the time. On some shows they do not even let you sit with who you come with they match the audiences up. Look at the audiences and how they are seated. The camera goes to one section for certain reactions. You would think the guys have no support but when you see they were not lying they run to a certain section and looks like they had nothing but support.
The complaints about it being feminist, does anybody really believe this show is on The NOW list for shows to watch?
These shows are very manipulating and they are geared toward young girls who go to those schools they advertise during the show. People need to understand that before they look at the show they are not going to make a low down lying strumpet look bad. They are going to offer her sympathy even after making poor guy into a fool. Do you think they would have guests if they knew they were going to get a lashing from Maury and the audience? If anything it is anti feminist because it makes young girls into sexual objects at times and make women look like lying sluts. Who are so out of control they do not even use Birth Control while having sex with multiple partners. Who can think that this show is pro feminist?