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Definitely felt the same wayuntil I watched the unrated cut. Doesn't totally fix it, but makes the film a helluva lot more enjoyable.
No really, it does not.
All the unrated cut does is spray a dog turd with gold paint.
Yet it's still a dog turd.
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he is God.

Definitely felt the same wayuntil I watched the unrated cut. Within the first two minutes it feels like Die Hard again (with McClane swearing like a sailor with his 'don't give a beep attitude that we all hold dear). They also ramp up the action and gore (nothing too over-the-top, but better than nothing at all for a Die Hard film). Doesn't totally fix it, but makes the film a helluva lot more enjoyable.

Absolutely terrible. Horrible cast. Worst villain(horrible acting). They equally raped Die Hard and Indiana Jones.

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This movie is awesome. I love all 4 DH films. I rank this as 2nd best behind the original.

I guess there's no point in arguing with haters. This is the longest discussion I've ever had on imdb.

Drooch and Dteam, lol. Both bitter becuase I destroyed you critisms of Die Hard 4 by revealing the same tactics in 2. The same thing Goondocks has been doing. All you can muster is name calling and arm chair psycho babel. Do you really think these tactics are dispelling anyone from the truth that neither of you can defend your possition? Drooch resorts to name calling, bitch fighting, and ego masterbation while Dteam is an obvious troll that no one really takes serious in the first place. So, for the umpteenth time, nothing is more sad than name calling on an anonymous blog. The fact that you guys must resort to these tactics only goes to show how affected you are by the arguments on this board.
-Drooch-
"I pointed out where Goondocks was mistaken and he rightfully apologised"
Obvously you saw that I also appologised about the mistaken photo, see a pattern. The supporters aren't ego manics and can appologize when a mistake is made. Maybe you should take notes.
-Dteam-
"Not only that but he's fixated on this idea that General Esperanza was taking off at 175 mph while McClane was on the wing and even used the term "karate" to describe their fighting."
That's funny Dteam casue I'm still waiting for your argument that refute my stance. I guess that's why you just call names and rant pointlessly. Well done again Sir! Really showed me, lol.
-Dteam-
"Furthermore, he even openly admits to having not seen the film in a while!"
You watch it all the time and yet can't refute that the plane was traveling at take off speed. Still waiting on your argument won't hold my breath.
-Dteam-
"McClane was more likely to die from falling off the jet wing in Die Hard 2 than he was jumping 80 feet from the jet in DHINO"
Oh hey, another argument you couldn't muster any defense againts! Anyone see a pattern forming? And where did you get 80 ft from? That's right you made it up, nevermind, I forgot you're just trolling.
-Drooch-
"Yep, another very juvenile attempt to provoke."
Say's the guy that repeatedly resorts to name-calling. I used to think your hypocracy was you just funnin with the fans, but now I'm thinking you don't realise your doing it.
What about McClane made him seem 'happy go lucky'?
Really? You are asking me to tell you after your pointed out the fact that I admitantly haven't watched the film in a while. Well that's not an obviously desperate attempt to counter a fact you know to be true. Die Hard 2 is the only film that doesn't display a depressed, down on his luck McClane. SO, according to your stance we must now refer to Die Hard 2 as a Die Hard in Name Only. I dissagree though as IMO even the worst Die Hard (2) has a place in the series.
-Drooch-
"it's infantile, trollish, and already weakens your very slim arguments."
You mean the ones you and your buddies can't even muster a stance against? You keep saying thier slim, but I don't remember you actually arguing them. Your only interested if you can skip over the film and turn the debate into a bitch fight.
-Drooch-
"even more of a hated laughing stock on the 'A Good Day To Die Hard' board where you've repeatedly embarrassed and humiliated yourself"
Apologising for a mistake is humiliating? That says a lot about your Drooch. But more to the point, my mistake about the picture didn't dispel my argument, just one of my points which I admited to. Goondocks has repeatedly called you out on mistakes you've made about Die Hard 2 and we are still waiting for your appology. Are you embarrased and humiliated? Oh wait, we're on an anonymous blog sight talking about action movies . baaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!
Can you blow me where the pampers is?

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This last stand by Drooch is similar to his usual style Goondocks. Derail any actual conversation about the film and reduce the thread to a bitch fight. To prove this, all you have to do is look back at what he has contributed to this subject from the start. There are a couple posts on the first page which consist of him calling the film names and complaining about Willis' promotion of the movie. But get this, he never backs his statements up with any specific criticism from the film! The OP gave insight into his opinion as did a few others, but Drooch was NOT among them. Now he has resigned to writing overly long posts that are focused on "he said, she said tactics" and reducing every discussion to a bitch fight (analretentive, ever digressing, pinpointing of minor thread points).
So Drooch, put your money where you mouth is and bring a real argument instead of this childish meandering. However, I'm assuming he's going to ignore me Goondocks as he seems to be overly obsessed with you.
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"Where in this thread have the supporters 'backed up their arguments time and time again'?"
Oh yeah, sorry about that. I just inferred that you were talking about the Live Free and Die Hard boards in general. However, I do think that durdin has given his reasons as to why this ain't that different from other Die Hard films. The fact that you don't agree with his reasons doesn't mean that he hasn't given any.

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Yes, he suddenly replied to me AGAIN about a post made months ago, saying that I was running from him and bla bla, but I just felt like telling him he's wrong once again.

Is he still going on about this? You shredded his argument like two months ago. Might as well just give him the last word so he'll move on.
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Torrese, I agree with everything that you have posted! Right on!
-Drooch-
"Yet another content-free attempt to provoke from Durdin."
Kind of the pot calling the kettle black don't you think? You're so easily distracted from the argument, you smell a bitch fight and just drop everything to engage, lol.
-Drooch-
"Remember, you're not in the least bit challenging, or provocative, or important."
The fact that you had to point this out say's exactly the opposite. Then you follow it with FIVE PARAGRAPHS . Baahaaaaaaaaaa, Baaaaaahaaaaaaaa!!! Spending a lot of words on something not challenging, provocative, or important. Well done Drooch.
-Drooch-
"something that exists purely to provoke and taunt the people"
The truth provokes and taunts you? WOW.
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Drooch, this getting embarrassing dude! You lost, move on. Continuously repeating the same disproved logic in an increasingly more anal retentive manner is fooling no one but the other kids (we call trolls) that follow you around.
Seriously Goondocks, check this dudes other posts and you will see that he has a history of name calling and over compensation for his obvious low self esteem (hence the ego masterbation), and he will never bring a legitimate argument. Instead he lives for turning threads into petty bitch fights (see above). Obviously, if the trolls are resorting to these tactics and not even trying to debate, then we can clearly call that a win.
Can you blow me where the pampers is?

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For fck's sake, again you are trying to rationalize the illogical thinking and superhero traits of McClane in the first three movies, by denying facts and throwing logic and common sense out of the window. You are NOT delusional at all. For you to be delusional that would mean that you believe in what you are saying, but no, you don't even believe what you are saying. What you are in is not delusion, but DENIAL, you know I'm right and you know your argument is weak as hell, but you just won't accept it. I won't even read all that, there's no point in reading your made up excuses and rationalization AGAIN. I'm sure you haven't come up with anything that makes sense at all and instead you are just sticking with your
"Average Joes kill hordes of professional soldiers on a daily basis! Average Joes can confront professional soldiers with no guns and survive! Average Joes think it is logical to go alone after professional soldiers! Average Joes can survive train crashes, jumping from bridges, fighting on airplane wings, flooded tunnels, etc, etc, etc, because that's what normal people do in their normal lives!".

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His thinking was that he could trade him for his wife, yes, but there's no way he could've known that it was truly possible for him to take General Esperanza as a hostage by himself. He was reckless, he confronted the bad guys and he went after Esperanza knowing full well that these crazy professional guys were crashing airplanes. There's no logical way in which he could've thought he could get away with it, yet he acted on his gut and everything went alright, just like in DH4. By your logic, I could also say that it was logical for McClane to think that Gabriel wouldn't shoot his daughter because he knew he wanted her as leverage, and he was thinking logically because at the end everything did work out for him.
Even after his wife was out of danger in DH2, McClane took it upon himself to try and bring the bad guys down. He went after them in the snowmobiles for no real reason at all, he went after them when they were escaping on the plane and he went after General Esperanza in spite of the fact that they could've continued crashing airplanes.
As I said, you can make up whatever excuse you want for this, but:

• McClane acted like a hero in DH2 when he tried to bring down the bad guys by himself even after his wife was out of danger. He also acted like a hero in DH3 the whole film, even after knowing that Simon was just using him as a distraction.
• McClane acted like a superhero in DH2 when he survived his numerous encounters with professional soldiers, even when he didn't even have a real weapon. He also acted like a superhero in DH3 when he survived a train crash with no scratches, he survived a fall into a ship from a bridge, he shot a bad guy while drifting a car, etc.
• McClane acted illogically throughout the whole DH2 and 3. It was illogical for him to think that he could take Esperanza hostage and trade him for his wife, it was illogical for him to think that he could save the day by going after professional soldiers ALONE in a snowmobile, by thinking he could stop the bad guys from escaping on the plane. McClane acted illogically when he did everything he did on DH3.
  And no, no one is running away from your weak, made-up argument. As I said, there's no point in arguing with a creationist about the theory of evolution, in the same way there's no point in arguing with someone like you, who can't accept when he's wrong.
  I've already proven to you in a quantitative manner that everyone who matters think DH4 is much better than 2 and 3, so you can deal with it in any way you want. Your biased opinion is irrelevant in this matter. No one cares for it.

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a) No he didn't know very well that they could crash airplanes, nobody did and that's why they were all surprised when it happened. Stewart had only said 'any attempt to restore your systems will be met by severe penalties', the nature of the penalties were never made clear and Lorenzo even suspected it was a bluff.
b) McClane went to the annex skywalk because he suspected Barnes and the SWAT team were headed for an ambush and wanted to warn them. He never wanted to rile the terrorists and only drew his gun when Barnes and the SWAT team were getting slaughtered.
a) He knew people's lives were in danger, why? Well, he knew they were professionals. He said so himself since the beginning when he has warning the police. He knew they were not people to EFF with.
b) McClane also goes after General Esperanza's plane, even after Stuart recalibrates the instrument landing system. Again, this is McClane acting irrationally, acting like the hero, acting like in DH4, even though at this point he knows they can crash planes and bla bla. So, there you have it. No point in saying that McClane acts like a hero or irrantionally only in DH4.
You can rationalize this all you want, but you would be wrong.