holy smokes, the twins did not save toorop, they might have saved thier mother. toorop died, dont you remember, her father brought him back to liveI know the movie might have been hard to follow but that was pretty freaking obvious

And her makeup was untouched. LOL
I can accept all of those things, really, because I am willing to suspend disbelief. But I cannot forgive gaping holes in logic where plotlines are concerned, even in low budget z films (which this was not)Even my zombies have to make some sense, even if they are out of this world!
I rewatched Diehard 4 last night and wondered how Justin Long still had his lil computer backpack even though he blew up 3 times, and got thrown down shafts, and had the snot beat out of him all over town. Explain THAT! Must have been the force. Bruce did say he was more of a "Star Wars guy" anyway. LOL
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I understand that the "virus" that is implied she is carrying is actually the twins, but
how exactly was Toorop a terrorist?
and how are we supposed to believe that the snowmobiles could go faster than the stealth bombers?
and Toorop did the whole backflip thingee on the snowmobile, and then turned around and fired ONE BULLET at the bomber at it blows up, then, he does another backflip thingee on the snowmobile and intercepts the MISSILE fired by the other stealth bomber, catching it squarely with his snowmobile, yet somwhow survives? A MISSILE?
Am I to assume that the twins saved Toorop from being destroyed in this explosion? Just as they magically willed the RPG missile to explode inches away from Aurora's face, being unharmed herself (I can accept that, somehow), yet even her hair and clothes do not get singed? Come on.
I can accept alot of stuff in Sci-Fi films, but seriously, some of this is pretty ridiculous.
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I have a weird thought about this movie, considering how Turep's character is basically manipulated into being involved with this whole caper. To me, it surely looks like, at the end, that the twins are a perfect combination of Aurora and TUREP. To me, HE'S the father of the twins. Sounds ridiculous, but it would explain a few things. I think there is no way the twins are the offspring of Neolite lady and the doctor or whomever else they THINK are the parents. There is just too much left unexplained in this film.
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This movie wasn't confusing in the aspects the OP states. It fails as it seems like 1/2 of a movie.

"I also think that nowadays the main thing that offends people, or confuses them, is the inability to think on their own. Most of you are happy when everything is handed to you easily, where you just have to watch, and nothing else. Thats how you create dumb people, who later also believe in all sorts of crap without even questioning it
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No thats not the problem at all.. I loved the first 80% of the movie, the end, specially after the kids were born, were as bad as any hollywood cliche ending..
There was no thought involved in the ending, just blah emotion mum dies, lone survivalist nurtures offspring Awwww.. how cute
aww He's redeemed himself for her sacrifice [wacoughnk] [wacoughnk]
I can think for myself, and I'm thinking, kids saved her from a massive explosion, (for their own survival) why couldn't the save her in child birth for same reasons? No way a man alone can raise newborn infants well.. and even if so, the tit is way better than the teet..
The ending sucked, like most hollywood endings face it peace and happiness, good guy wins well till the sequel where he has to win all over again
And 2 messiahs? Hmm I see a religious war coming There is only one messiah.. and he's a very very naughty boy!!!

YES!! you, my friend, hit the nail on the head
i agree in that i dont like to be spoon-fed all the information. i like to guess and think on my own about things that are unexplained, only to have my theories proven(or disproven) during the movie.(or have them never revealed in the movie, so all i can do is wonder if my theories are correct)
this attitude explains why my favorite tv show is LOST. a show that leaves many things open to the interpretation of the viewer, and eventually answers(most)of the questions it has presented.
back to Babylon ADthe movie DOES have some plot holes, which CAN be figured out if you pay attention to the plot and actually use your brain to try to fill in the missing pieces. i can understand how people could get lost because if you miss one thing in the plot you will be totally confused.
so dont go to Babylon AD if you expect to see mindless, pointless garbagesee death race instead
but if you DO like to use your brain, and like intriguing plots which lead you to question and make your own conclusions see Babylon AD

I have to agree with empathy44, this movie may seem to have a lot of plot holes, but you can figure them out quite easily if you think it out a bit, and paid attention to the movie!
I also think that nowadays the main thing that offends people, or confuses them, is the inability to think on their own. Most of you are happy when everything is handed to you easily, where you just have to watch, and nothing else. Thats how you create dumb people, who later also believe in all sorts of crap without even questioning it
I actually enjoy movies that leave you guessing a bit, and this one even explained most of the main parts so as my friends and I walked out at the end, we were thinking about all the possibilities, from different angles, how it will continue, etc and if you paid attention to the movie, it's really not so difficult to understand it, like the OP stated in this thread.
Don't get me wrong, I still hope there will be a Directors Cut but for different reasons than most of the people who simply "didn't get it".

In the one I saw, you see two toddlers playingone looks like Aurora, the other looks more Like Toorop. Toorop comes out and tells them to come inside as a storm is coming. They are shown walking back towards an idyllic two story version of the cabin. The idea being that the twins were being raised and kept safe by him in isolation.
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Anais Nin

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What do you mean "the end was a couple of years after that."? I saw this in the theatres, tonight actually, and the ending I saw was in the hospital when the twins were born. Did I see a different cut or was there a scene after the credits?

I liked the movie too. Diesel acting wasn't bad, and I liked the idea of such an horrible future, with wars, publicity everywhere and evil people trying to take the world using faith as a weapon.
The area where the movie starts reminded me of S.T.A.L.K.E.R., by the way.
I think the ending was a little dissapointing, and that it was a very short film (besides, It's really very fast paced), but the 70 minutes unfairy cutted surely would have made this already enjoyable film a lot better.
The visual effects were cool, and the map was incredible (one of the best things in the movie!)
I really feel terrible for Mathieu Kassovitz. He must be very frustrated, and I can only hope a Director's cut version cames out, so we can all apreciate it better.

I enjoyed the movie, I actually liked how they some parts open, and didn't spoon feed you. Though it was a bit choppy in the beginning and suffered some pacing problems. But one thing just bugs me. What was up with the line "Let's go girls, there's a storm coming"?

Maybe the mixed race children are meant to symbolize two forces - one child resulting from the injection (representing soulless science/elites) and one spawned by Vin Deisel (a "love child", representing "the people"). If they are able to create a symbiotic relationship, they can conceivably bring about a utopia, and if not, perhaps armageddon. Only the child that appears to be of mixed race calls Deisel "Dad".

I think the difference between me and you is that although I know it could have been better, I just really like what I did see. I LIKE that they implied ideas rather than spelled them out. I do hope for an extended version. I wonder if I will like or dislike what was cut out
Speaking just for myself, I think I am way more comfortable not knowing every detail than I am with movies that either explain WAY too much or have goofy "magic technology" that merely underscores the fact that the writers have no idea how computers work or may work in the future. I think this might be a repeat viewing kind of movie that will age well.
They didn't explain why the woman and her religion were scary, they SHOWED her being scary. They showed her talk about creating a false miracle and planning to pawn it off as a genuine spontaneous occurranceas if she was discussing a way to increase her religion's "market share." Showed her killing someone she might have been married to (I think his lackies called her his wife) and seeming to enjoy it (or at least being satisfied that it was finally done). They showed her advertising her religion as if it were a commoditythe same way that lipstick (or whatever those lips were advertising) was being marketed. The "priest" of her religion that came to test Aurora gave her a pill that made her ill (and possibly pregnant) and then played on the fears of her foster mother to get her to America. Plus, she doesn't hesitate to do business with a mobster and then nuke any innocent people loitering near his convoy in order to destroy him in revenge. I mean, do we need to see her detailed schematics to know what she wants is probably a bad thing for all concernedexcept herself?
I did want more of the after story between Aurora and Toorop and more about what was going on at the end, but, I think it conveyed that, at least for now, he and the babies are safe and that Aurora is probably dead. By having him come out to get them we see he's looking after them and by having them walk towards the beautiful home in the middle of nowhere we see why it could be possible that he had elluded the bad guys by hiding in the hills.
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Anais Nin

Ok lets stop lying to ourselves here. This movie was not well made for its storyline and we all know it. The movie felt incomplete to me. If you went to go open your box of candy and missed the five lines throughout the movie when they did explain what was going on you would be kind of annoyed. I mean yes they made super human babies for the "inlights?" to become the top religion blah blahokay and then what? We still don't know what Auora and her weird two raced children were fully capable of at the end of the movie because they never explained it. So she is a test tube baby with a computer brain, has a mental force field to protect herself like Alice from Resident Evil, can predict the future, and is a Virgin Mary. I feel like there is so much more to her character that is being kept from us. Plus the ending was crap. Throughout the entire movie we're expecting something to happen and it never does. There needed to be something more at the end than "there's a storm coming". Maybe a little hint of the twins powers? There needs to be more than just context clues and speculation. And besides I hear the storyline was completely butchered by FOX anyway. The director said, "The movie is supposed to teach us that the education of our children will mean the future of our planet. All the action scenes had a goal: They were supposed to be driven by either a metaphysical point of view or experience for the characters instead parts of the movie are like a bad episode of 24." Personally I didn't get the whole knowledge is power and children are our future from this filmit was more of a 'nice action scenes and ohh Vin I loved you from Pitch Black, when the next one?' for me. But hey maybe it's just me. We're all allowed to voice our own opinions.thats what makes reading theses things fun.

Well, Indiculicious Ive seen a lot.. lot of movies and in my book I think this piece of crap deserves a 1 (and I even think thats too much) but thats just my opinion, you can rate it however you want it.

If you think this movie deserves a 1 you really havent seen enough movies

O.k. I'm really lostI thought the "pill" the doctor gave Aurora got her pregnant with twins. When did she and Toorop "knock boots"? Or was that cut out of the film?

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I liked how the technology is used to tell us stuff about the world Toorop lives in. The Russia we are shown is very much like the wild, wild westexcept instead of building stuff, they are living off the carcass of a collapsed state. Law and order are non-existant. There are things like nuclear subs from the pastbut they are being used by private individuals/criminals not the government. They are scavanging and reusing stuff.
You can contrast that with how the US looksprosperous, but scared (hence the super tight borders) and vulnerable to manipulation.
The week after I saw this I was in Times Square in NY, and there are huge video/LED commercial displays all over the placeit was a lot like Blade Runner lite.
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." Anais Nin

I completely agree with you sarastro7. Unless the director's cut is about an hour longer I won't watch it either..this movie could of been so much better (I'm glad I didn't spend any money to watch it; I only do that for good movies)

"What about this movie doesn't make sense?"
Almost everything! Much of the technology is completely inconsistent with such a future (the bad guys driving old Range Rovers?!), and the story was awful and without real meaning. It was told without detail and explanation, probably to give the reader some sense that it was all very mysterious. And the end didn't deliver at all. I only give "1" ratings to movies I find incredibly trashy and offensively bad, and this one qualifies! If the whole Neolite messiah thing was averted, then what the hell is the storm that was coming, and what significance does it have for the twins? It is an attempt at some symbolical parable; it's not just a sci-fi story. They mentioned something that seemed to have been prophecied, like Toorop being Aurora's protector. The story would have been a little bit easier to swallow if some of these things (esp. the unborn twins' hefty powers, protecting Aurora from the missile blast) had actually been properly explained in the movie, but they weren't, and most audiences are just left scratching their heads. It was an incredibly disappointing product, and it really deserves a "1" rating. Almost the whole movie played itself out with no apparent plot, and when it was finally revealed it was just complete cr!p.
This movie is so bad and meaningless that I'm not going to waste anymore of my life on it, nor on any other version that may come out later.

Do you really believe that the missing 11 minutes can save this lousy movie?
Sorry, I don't buy it.