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i didn't read this whole thread, just skimmed the first few pages, but yes, in answer to your question, it was rape, he said no, that there were things he didn't do, and just because he got into the mans car with the intentions of having sex doesn't mean he can't change his mind. which he did. as for the commenter who said he willingly snorted the coke, i alway got the impression that Neil wouldn't have liked the outcome if he hadn't. there was no mention of it but the threat was there.
women have the right to change their minds at any time, to sat no, and if the man keeps going once that happens thats rape, Neil said stop, that there were things he didn't do, and the man kept going, physically assaulting him and taking what he wanted anyways. if this had happened to a woman i doubt that it would even have been asked, wasn't there a movie that dealt with a situation somewhat like this? i think it had Jodie Foster in it
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Didanyone else think the rapist was slightly fit?

Few questions on a thread have a more obvious answer- YES- it was rape.

Of course it was rape ! He went to the bathroom to obviously get away from having sex with him, he breaks in the door, bangs his head onto the shower wall.. It's rape.
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Ironic.

was the guy the same guy that told neil to put the condom on? cuz he looked like it

He unlocked the door and tells Neil, "you're going to get f'd whether you want it or not!" Then forces himself on Neil in the bathtub while wacking him in the head with a shampoo bottle making Neil bleed.
Yes yes we all agree it's rape. Of course it's rape. There's no two ways about it, it's rape.
My question to the OP is this - Are there any prostitutes who are into being violently hit till their head bleeds?
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He unlocked the door and tells Neil, "you're going to get f'd whether you want it or not!" Then forces himself on Neil in the bathtub while wacking him in the head with a shampoo bottle making Neil bleed.
Yes yes we all agree it's rape. Of course it's rape. There's no two ways about it, it's rape.
My question to the OP is this - Are there any prostitutes who are into being violently hit till their head bleeds?
Cause it's just not cool to be a Nazi anymore baby. - Half Nelson

Well not that I really partake in paid sex, but i'm guessing in prosstitution its etiquette not to beat them till they bleed, or break into a bathroom to beep them and I would like to assume they are asked if they mind it bareback before you carry out the act. And I presume that waking up beep knows where outside meant, he didn't get paid.
Some might consider this man rude, others a rapist.

"YEah, because Neil did say specifically that he did not want to have anal sex".
Well, not exactly. He said "there's some staff I don't do". It seems he meant he didn't do sado-masoquism.
In any case, it isn't necessary that he would have said he dind't want for it to be rape. The fact remains the guy forced him.
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The "rape" people are talking about is the "military" guy who picked him up near the end of the film, when he was on his way home from his new job, who took him to Brighton Beach and then raped him in the bathroom.
I thought it was pretty cool that it was a bottle of Johnson's Baby Shampoo "No More Tears" that the rapist hit him with.

he was a child, juridically without "free arbitrium". even if he wanted to have sex with the coach, it would still be rape.

YEah, because Neil did say specifically that he did not want to have anal sex.
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it was rape, plain & simple. Neil didn't want to do it & that guy forced himself onto him & repeatedly hit him with a shampoo bottle(correct me if im wrong)to the point where Neil's head was bleeding. There was nothing consentual about this. It is rape no matter what the person's profession is.

It was rape. Unfortunately, proving it in court would be practically impossible. Many prostitutes, both male and female, are beaten, forced to do things sexually that they aren't comfortable with, and can't do a thing about it after the fact. It's horrible, but it comes with the territory. Prostitution is not like it's shown in movies, it is a very dangerous world..

Let's not forget that Neil said "There are certain things I don't do", (or something to that effect) before he went into the restroom. Then the john came into the restroom and said "You're getting screwed." (He didn't say "screwed" but IMDB censored the F word.)
He knew that Neil didn't want to receive anal sex and he forced him to do it anyway. How could this NOT be rape? I don't care if a hundred people paid to have sex with Neil, this man forced himself on him. If this was a heterosexual couple and not a prostitute/john situation, no one would even question whether or not this was rape.
And there was nothing consensual about being beaten over the head with a shampoo bottle and thrown unconscious onto the pavement.

Agree. I saw that thread title and was like "Oh, god."

"The fact that this thread exists is disturbing."
Indeed.

Yes it was rape. The fact that this thread exists is disturbing. No one deserves to be raped. People who are victims of rape crimes did not ask for it.
Yes, I think so as well.
At first I thought that the poster may have been asking because he/she was in school to become an attorney. That I could understand wanting to look for a way to prove rape did occur. I don't even want to imagine if the question was asked because such did occur and the question is being asked for criminal defense attorney strategies.
Then another poster thought maybe it was because maybe it happened. Often times people who are raped go thru a lot of thoughts trying to convince themselves all sorts of things, but fact remains what occurred was rape.
Anyone who says "he asked for it" is either a troll that likes sick jokes or someone who seriously needs some help. I've seen people who are the "he/she asked for it" type. My father is one of them. They are usually very troubled angry people throwing blame about.
To post the thread just to see what people would say is pointless and sad. I'd like to think that it was posted in order to find ways an attorney could help prosecute a guilty offender.
Too many times rapists go free in court. Not to mention that most rapes are never reported. And when a rapist gets away with it, he goes on to do it again and again. It takes a very strong person who has already been beaten down both physically and mentally, to stand up and fight back in court. And shame on those who rather then praise and help, sit back and throw blame around.
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Yes it was rape. The fact that this thread exists is disturbing. No one deserves to be raped. People who are victims of rape crimes did not ask for it.

Tell me something, Miss Destiny Jade:
how would you feel if, say I met you in a club and we got drunk and I invited you to my house?
And let's say you would fancy me so you would come to my place we would start kissing taking your clothes off and then I would start punching you and stick you-know-what in your mouth and raped you?
Would not that NOT rape because you WILLINGLY came to my house to have sex with me? and willingly removed your clothes? And willingly drink alcohol with me?
Because his was a male prostitute doesn't change the fact that he was forced to have sex with that guy and he beat him up too.
I am sure he could have pressed charges against that horrible guy.
sorry for being harsh but I think that was a good way to explain it to you

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