I know this is an old post but I'll give mt thoughts on it anyway.
There are a lot of inconsistencies with Jigsaw's rules from the first film compared to the rest. But what a lot of people don't know is that originally the first film was a one-of with no plans of making a sequel. Leigh Whannel and James Wan (and/or possibly other people) only decided to make a sequel when Saw became such a hit, but mostly because so many fans were asking 'who is the guy in the middle of the room?', 'why was he doing this to people?', 'what happened to Dr. Gordon'? etc. So of course, as the other films were being made, they had to carefully include what had already happened in the first one, following rules as much as they can without inconsistencies, to make more sense as the series went on. They had no plan for more films, so they had to work with what was already laid out.

Perhaps deep down he despises himself and why he changed the traps to not be about murder but then his assistants wanted to still murder.
Although I agree with another poster that they just changed his character later to make him more sympathetic.
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I think in his warped mind to Jigsaw the difference between what he did and an average murderer is
choice
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Even though the odds are against them, most of Jigsaw's victims had choices and ways to stay alive, where as someone just plain murdering someone is taking a life without them having a choice.

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Amanda did not have to hack the beep out of her "boyfriends" chest she could have simply sliced him near his stomach, pulled out the stomach. Then cut out the key from his stomach he would have survived for roughly 6hours before bleeding out.
Zepp was challenged to kill a woman and child to save himself - he didnt - he won his game. Unfortunately Dr Gordon assumed that he was Jigsaw and killed him out of fear (for his family) and anger at Jigsaw for putting him through it
Dr Gordon did exactly as he was meant to (appart from KillIng Zepp)

Murder is killing for no good reason other than some form of personal gain.
I'm sure Jigsaw doesn't feel he's doing that and honestly feels whatever killing happens as a result of his methods was for the improvement of society.
He's obviously insane and wrong, but that's what's happening in his mind. I doubt he considered himself a murderer in the first film either.
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Yeah i agree with you on that, some tests are kind of easy like amanda's test, i mean physically, she doesn't hurt herself during the game, unlike other players like troy, or even dr. Gordon who made it..
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Agreed, they are.
Another thing about Amanda's game/test is that it's not fair for her to say "the game helped me, so it should help every out." That's BS, she got off easy! All she had to do was kill somebody and hunt for a key in their body. Everybody else had to sever their own limbs or permanently mutilate themselves to survive! I doubt that you would be praising John for the rest of your left if you had to walk around as a mutated freak for the rest of your life!
Very true, perhaps if she had it AS bad as Dr. Gordon's, Troy or ANYONE in the sequels, I doubt she would've even joined him.
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Yeah i agree with you on that, some tests are kind of easy like amanda's test, i mean physically, she doesn't hurt herself during the game, unlike other players like troy, or even dr. Gordon who made it..
The movie and its twists are amazing though
Agreed, they are.
Another thing about Amanda's game/test is that it's not fair for her to say "the game helped me, so it should help every out." That's BS, she got off easy! All she had to do was kill somebody and hunt for a key in their body. Everybody else had to sever their own limbs or permanently mutilate themselves to survive! I doubt that you would be praising John for the rest of your left if you had to walk around as a mutated freak for the rest of your life!
Very true, perhaps if she had it AS bad as Dr. Gordon's, Troy or ANYONE in the sequels, I doubt she would've even joined him.
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Yeah i agree with you on that, some tests are kind of easy like amanda's test, i mean physically, she doesn't hurt herself during the game, unlike other players like troy, or even dr. Gordon who made it..
The movie and its twists are amazing though

Another thing about Amanda's game/test is that it's not fair for her to say "the game helped me, so it should help every out." That's BS, she got off easy! All she had to do was kill somebody and hunt for a key in their body. Everybody else had to sever their own limbs or permanently mutilate themselves to survive! I doubt that you would be praising John for the rest of your left if you had to walk around as a mutated freak for the rest of your life!

Another thing about Amanda's game/test is that it's not fair for her to say "the game helped me, so it should help every out." That's BS, she got off easy! All she had to do was kill somebody and hunt for a key in their body. Everybody else had to sever their own limbs or permanently mutilate themselves to survive! I doubt that you would be praising John for the rest of your left if you had to walk around as a mutated freak for the rest of your life!

It's not a criticism per se on my part, but his claim that he isn't a murderer is simply ridiculous.
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Sounds about right for one of the most evil self-righteous villains in fiction.

Very interesting point Loup.
My take is that he had to have a few people killed in order for his games to work. He had to slit Tapp's throat in order to escape and continue his games of morality. He probably feels he is not on the same level of selfishness as a murdurer, seeing as his murders are for the greater good (or so he thinks) of people.
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Psychologically speaking, it's possible for John to be telling the truth when he has encouraged murder and yet says that he despises murderers. He uses the excuse that his traps are morality plays, but the fact is that people often hate what they most resemble. That is, John was driven to murder and used other people to commit the murders for him so that he could feel moral superiority, instead of killing the people himself. He despises himself for feeling the need to kill, but through his traps gives himself moral and intellectual superiority because he's not committing the acts and, presumably, he's giving the subjects the chance to refuse to commit murder and choose their fates instead.

Both people could have survived Amanda's game. She started the timer by jumping around. You seen when she got to the cellmate that he was starting to wake up. If she wouldn't have pulled the safety pin out of the clock she would not have had a count down. She could havwe set there till either the police showed up (or someone found her) since we don't know where her game took place. Or she could have waited for the cellmate to wake up (I know she thinks he was dead but if she would have looked he was breathing) he could have went for help or look for a way to deactivate the device.

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Yeah, it's just a re-write of his character.
Jigsaw from the sequels is not the smae Jigsaw from the first film - figuratively speaking.
The Jigsaw from the first film actively encouraged murder. Not only with Amanda's game and the bathroom game, but with Zepp too having to kill Alison and Diana if Dr Gordon didn't kill Adam. Not to mention he slit Tapp's throat.
They then changed the concept of his character to be more sympathetic in order for people to relate and understand him in the sequels.

It is hard to explain what his logic or method in the way he set things up. He might have just lost it and felt it was justify to do it.
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Actually Amanda made the games unwinabble because she beleived people didn't change. She was very vengefull.
Also John has a god complex there he thinks what he is doing is right.
This. That was Amanda's downfall and the whole reason why he tested her yet again.
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I sort of agree with argento70 but you also have to realise, the guy was drugged to the gills. Not only did Jigsaw say that he was only semi-conscious, he also said he couldn't feel a thing. It's a bit of a plot hole I suppose but then again, he despised Amanda.

As far as Amanda's test goes, that kinda made me wonder too. Amanda had to kill someone in order to survive. But, I have a theory. John drugs the guy and rather than figure out a way for the guy to swallow the key, he makes a small incision in the guy's stomach and stitches it up. He then covers the incision with the paint he uses to make the question mark. This would simplify having to rumage through the guy's guts. All Amanda would have to do is look carefully at the question mark, see the slit and slice through the stitches. But, Amanda was in a panic, causing her to simply gut the guy. Don't forget most of the subjects fail their tests because they panic.

Actually Amanda made the games unwinabble because she beleived people didn't change. She was very vengefull.
Also John has a god complex there he thinks what he is doing is right.

One thing that confuses me about amandas test was that someone had to die to live. That is encouraging murder. later in the series this is corrected so everyone has a chance to live but amandas test made no sense. SOME ONE HAD TO DIE IN ORDER TO LIVE for her test.