Streaming services like hbo are not held to the same mpaa standards yet they do not show female genitalia and have no problem showing male genitalia. I wonder why?

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As a gay man it is weird I've not seen a vagina or know how one works. No sex ed. No vagina in movies.

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There are plenty of films with Kate Winslet completely naked and they are rated R. In Jude, you see the lips underneath all the hair (laughed at the covered by hair conspiracy).

It had a NC-17 at first though. It had to be censored for a R.

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All you could see is bush any time a vagina is shown in a rated r movie it has to be covered by either real public hair or a murkin (pubic topay) to prevent the lips or clit from being shown there has yet in the 100+ year history of movies to be a rater r movie that showed a women without massive amount of pubic hair mean while any rated r film can show a shaved penis and it's ok that's that's difference.
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Eyes Wide Shut had numerous scenes of vaginas, but was only rated R

What vagina have you seen on TV?????
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Whatever There are 100000000000 movies with female nudity and loads of them show bush and more than that as well. And how many movies have full frontal male nudity?
What rating they get - I don't care, because there is already too many movies with female nudity so if there's anything that's discriminating it is that they always use women to sell crap.
Why is it always OK to show naked women on TV, but not men? You can see bush, you can't see penises. There's the real double standard.

In Victorian England, for example, a woman could not even expose her ankles without condemnation.
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Hairless labia is a Western trend that's not anywhere close to universally adopted even in countries where it's most popular. Sorry kiddo, but what you see in porn and among a generation raised on porn isn't a reflection of how most of the women in the world handle pubic grooming.

They think it's too offensive regardless of content.

Very few women shave their labia
Maybe with the geriatrics you hang out with

wasn't there a vagina in interview with a vampire? that was a wildly successful main stream horror movie.
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Her point is still valid, even if the details aren't universal. True, not all Muslim women wear burkas. However, that article of clothing isn't a polarized representation of gender equality. There are a lot of Muslim denimations and communities that are more liberal about clothing, yet are still treated as 2nd class citizens.
I do get that there are layers and subtleties. There are everywhere. When I was in Iraq, TECHNICALLY, there was an "equality". Men managed affairs outside the home, Women managed affairs home-related. It seems fair and equitable. But then you visit a family and see the women act like servants, and realize rules/laws/doctrine take a back seat to social conditioning.
The values people preach often differ from the values people practice.

"oppresive Muslim societies"
Listen pal, this opression only exists in beep like Persia and Saudi Arabia, In places like the UAE and Jordan however, it is entirely optional. Hell even in hardcore fundie states the hijab (which has no oppresive value whatsoever) is the leading garment of choice.
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oh please 9_9 I know plenty pf atheists who don't want to see all that.

This seems like a self-perpetuating issue.
I don't think film editors would want to include elements that they anticipate would distract from that segment of the story.
But, like you said, the only way to desensitize the audience to the objectification is to change the media.
…I mean, outside of a theater, the issue is too multifaceted and complex for an audience member to approach.
So what would motivate a filmmaker to compromise his/her multi-million dollar, career-building vision? "Do I want to feed my children or help improve the film industry a tiny bit?"

Both men and women are socialized to find the female form inherently sexual, it's not "just human nature." It's also not something that should be blindly accepted because it forces women to have a more restrictive relationship with their bodies and their sexuality than men have.
The Open Water example you gave shows perfectly why this is a problem. If female nudity is only ever shown in contexts where it's meant to arouse, the message is that female nudity can only exist to arouse. But if ratings stop catering to that sexist mindset and female nudity is allowed to be shown in other ways, it can also begin to be viewed in other ways.

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I read this board not expecting to see anything id care to reply too but your line
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think that one of the issues here is that women (at least attractive ones) will ALWAYS be seen as sex objects. And it doesn't matter how "progressive" a man is - if he's straight, he can't help but see a nude woman that way.
Im a straight man and I dont instantly want to make love to every naked women i see on screen no matter how theyre trying to portray her. Im a photography hobbyist but i can appreciate the beauty of the female form without wanting to make love to a woman just because shes naked. In fact a few films have done this quite successfully. The fact that not everyone appreciates it as the art it is just means not everyone is going to grasp it.
That aside there are women that when shown on screen WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SEE NAKED, and often times dont get. Lots of guys for instance WANT to see Angelina Jolie naked on screen. I for one dont even want to see her on screen.
My point is just that not ALL women on screen are women we want to see naked. I forget her name just now but she was on Grays Anatomy and went on to do films like Knocked Up, shes really pretty but i could honestly care less if shes ever seen naked in film. Though there are im sure some guys who want to see her naked.
I guess what im getting at is not ALL guys want to see EVERY woman naked on screen.
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hardly a fair set of examples. adolescent males, being what they are, need only THINK about female nudity to get a stiffy, and what you saw in Open Water was a group of young people feeding of of each other(a very mild example of mob mentality), especially the guy with the camera phone. i doubt he took that picture for "future reference," but rather to elicit a laugh from his buddies.
i'd bet money that the reaction would have been very similar, if not identical, had it been a group of young women and the scene showed a good-looking guy. don't believe me? sit through any flick featuring a shirtless Billy Zane with a group of your BFFs and see for yourself(maybe throw in a few beers. not that Mr. Zane requires beer goggles, but it's quite possible those guys in the theatre weren't totally dry).
as for the top half of your reply, i agree completely. a nude scene with a woman would have to be a lot moredeliberate, i guessto show much more than pubic hair than if it were a naked man.