No rambling at all. Just interesting discussion. No need to apologize!
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Ur a cool cat JM. I like you.
I’m sad you’re suffering tho. That’s a terrible disease.
Good talk!
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Yeah… I sort of agree.
I was thinking you’d venture into the non deterministic nature of quantum probability and how it affects free will since subatomic particles seem to be governed by the future in a sense. People like to attribute the lack of free will to that, but in reality the subatomic world doesn’t govern ours. Hence the reason we haven’t found a grand unified theory or everything.
So what you said is more interesting. Cos that is actually an actual argument that is applicable on real life.
I think this governs us more than we want to accept. And it takes tremendous amounts of determination and energy to break out of it.
However free will does exist in the small scale, everyday choices like, do I have coffee or not. Or I’ll decide to get that new car.
But we can’t really choose who we fall in love it. We can pursue it, make it happen. But we can’t control the emotion. We can’t change with willpower what we are attracted to. So in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t really exist.
We are slaves to our genetic and social heritage.
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That’s a bold statement, care to elaborate?
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He was a narcissist. When you’re not able to feel much, you derive self worth from external validation called narcissistic supply.
Yes, good observation. He wanted constant approval and attention, no matter what means to get it.
We are all narcissistic in some form or other, yet psycho's take it to the extreme.
This is tragic really, where not having much of an emphatic constitution and therefore a conscience, isn't really a part of one's makeup and incapable of really giving of oneself. It has to be about oneself.
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He was a narcissist. When you’re not able to feel much, you derive self worth from external validation called narcissistic supply. Notice how he revels in revealing his misdeeds to the police and other inmates. How much he loves the notoriety and fame. He doesn’t even like girls but he probably got off on those love letters
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You'll never understand how to grasp the use of English….
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by ToastedCheese October 06, 2022 02:50 PM
Member since December 21, 2017
Learn to speak more coherent English before you post your drivel please.
You understood well what I said.
However, you're wrong.
You'll never understand the different natures of serial killers.
They do have similarities but you're on the wrong path.
Have a good one!

Learn to speak more coherent English before you post your drivel please.
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by ToastedCheese October 06, 2022 12:32 PM
Member since December 21, 2017
And self-absorbed, self-indulgent, entitled, cruel, creepy, perverted, sick, psychotic, yet I wonder if he would be considered an actual narcissist? They say all psychopaths are narcissistic?
Bundy was a narcissist, Gacy was a narcissist, yet Dahmer appeared to have a different type of air about his being.
All psychopaths and narcissists !!!
A reliable diagnosis by our MC-psychologist "Toasty".

And self-absorbed, self-indulgent, entitled, cruel, creepy, perverted, sick, psychotic, yet I wonder if he would be considered an actual narcissist? They say all psychopaths are narcissistic?
Bundy was a narcissist, Gacy was a narcissist, yet Dahmer appeared to have a different type of air about his being.
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He was callous, yes.
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I hear ya, yet what I was implying was “passive sadism”. He was being sadistic and didn’t know it in a sense.
I would consider the slaughter of live animals for food as sadistic on some level. It’s not just a job, those that do it WOULD derive some sort of deep dark enjoyment from it.
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You can’t call that sadism. He’s a psychopath; He doesn’t care about the family at all. He has no empathy except some cognitive empathy. They wouldn’t even enter his thoughts when he goes for a kill
A sadist would have to derive pleasure specifically from the act of inflicting pain. Jeff didn’t give a **** about pain. He just wanted them to not be able to get away from him - ever.
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Personally I do think he was a psychopath but I don’t think he was sadistic.
He was for sure psychopathic, and he coveted his victims.
As for his sadism, that seemed to come after the fact of them being dead, so I'm not sure if the measure is any different. Even if drugged out, there could still be some awareness of being strangulated. And not to mention what he did with the bodies. This is passive sadism and the victims families had to endure this aspect.
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We’re all playing armchair psych here.
Some docs said he wasn’t a true psychopath. He had emotion. He just couldn’t really experience it unless the people were incapacitated or, uh, dead.
Personally I do think he was a psychopath but I don’t think he was sadistic. He went through lots of effort to drug his victims before going to work. Although there were scenes with the neighbor hearing screams, I don’t know if that’s legit or for drama as he always used sedatives. That said, he lacked emotion and prob fits the clinical criteria for antisocial personality disorder.
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I think this is where empathy is key. A pedophile can have empathy with potential victims and abstain from pursuing it. But a full blown psychopath with no empathy at all, doesn’t really benefit from knowing and being aware the pain he’s causing. Cos it does not bother him. But I’m Jeffrey’s case, it did seem like he harbored some sort of guilt and compassion in the sense he killed them when they were unconscious so they wouldn’t suffer as much. So he was probably not that sadistic.
Although I’m way out in the territory of pulling things outta my ass here, and playing armchair psychologist. But where’s the fun if you cant elaborate eh…
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He was ****ed from day one. Or maybe day 600 - however old he was when he had the surgery, if that affected things.
It’s like a pedophile. They can’t alter their sexual urges but they can police their activity, knowing the harm that it does. Jeff knew he killed these people. He said in real life that he didn’t wear his glasses to his trial so he wouldn’t have to see the families’ faces. He felt some measure of shame for what he did, yet did it anyway.
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Yeah I don’t think he had a choice more so than that he had the physical option to not do it. But as sick as he was, I don’t think he was mentally capable of stopping it. Or he would have.
This does not free him of any responsibility. I just think there’s an aspect here that is sometimes overlooked. How being born a monster is a misfortune too. For the person and his family. And I don’t think for one second parents neglect turn people into killers. That is brain damage and complete lack of empathy.
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