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can't help but think they'd have been better off doing whatever Orci had cooked up for 3. The underling theme of the first film was about the altering of the timeline and the changes it created, the 2nd continued it and was about the prime timeline sort of seeping back into this new one (blowing up at the end) albeit with different outcomes.. maybe the 3rd should've been about an attempted restoration of the prime timeline and all that would involve (so it'd be a sort of 'timeline trilogy' dealing with the altering of the timeline and everything it brings about, like the BTTF trilogy was a timeline trilogy) Not veering off into this unrelated standalone 'TOS fanfiction.' (calling it 'Beyond' as if it was beyond all that timeline malarkey to instead do a TOS episode writ large) It sounds like if there is to be a 4th it will be what 3 should've been with the same writers (time travel/alt timeline, but looks to be Hemsworth instead of Shatner) in which case STB would be like if TFF had come in between TSFS and TVH.. (as it was TFF was still a unrelated 'standalone' movie between TVH and the more connected TUC, not really anything to do with 2346 at all.)
I bet if JJA had stayed on as director (with Matthew Vaughan or even Spielberg directing TFA) hed have done the Orci 3

orcis currently on twitter loving how hes been proven correct about Hilary

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I think I flagged you by accident;my apologies. As for Orci, I'm sure it'd turn out to be some whacked out conspiracy theory fueled polemic.
What's missing in movies is same as in society: a good sense of work ethic and living up to ideals.

I read ST novels. But I'm not interested in a novel to Orcis script. Alan Dean Foster wrote the last two novelizations and most likely would be asked to write this one as well. Now, Foster is certainly a good writer and I liked his Humanx Commonwealth. But the plot to this one would still be Orci's and Abrams' and I really don't care about that crap.

orci confirms his ST3 plot
Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760638759738028032?lang=en-gb
It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt?
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760928061621620737?lang=en-gb
Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma.
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760928356208513025?lang=en-gb

maybe Orcis ST3 will now be the George Kirk thing
http://www.imdb.com/board/12660888/board/nest/259497244

-interesting rumour
If the rumors were true for Orchis script of Kirk n crew, vulcsns, & 3rd alien race all racing to obtain a time travel device so vulcans could stop the destruction of their planet by Nero that script sounded very poor even worse than STID. A gimmick w Nimoy n Shatner meeting their counter parts couldn't save that Was very happy to hear studio thought same n changed
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-beyond.270580/page-249

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pine talks orci's Trek3, the 2 Kirks meeting:
When JJ Abrams rebooted the Star Trek movie universe in 2009, he created an alternate timeline, allowing the events of previous films to still exist and for Leonard Nimoy's Spock to interact with his younger self. This led to the question of whether we'd ever see Chris Pine's Captain James T. Kirk encounter an older version of himself. You know - the one played by William Shatner.
"At this point theres been so much built up about this potential portentous meeting between the two Kirks," Pine says in an interview in the latest issue of SFX. He's not wrong.
Before cameras started rolling on the third chapter, Star Trek Beyond, word began circulating about an early script draft that included Shatner's Kirk. This was part of original director Roberto Orci's plan, but once he left and Justin Lin stepped in to direct things changed. Co-writer Simon Pegg came aboard to rewrite the screenplay with Doug Jung, and the idea of bringing the two versions together was axed.
If that draft had made it to production, Pine believes having two Kirks onscreen would override discussion about the actual movie itself. "It would just become about that," he adds. "The movie cant become about that. The movie has to be about whatever story were trying to tell. Itd be fun, itd be kitschy, itd be a great piece for you guys to talk about, and for late-night TV, but above and beyond that I dont know what it serves for our storytelling purposes, you know?"
http://www.gamesradar.com/this-is-why-you-wont-see-william-shatner-and-chris-pine-in-a-star-trek-movie-together/
sounds abit like Generations Kirk meeting Picard

Orci's movie sounded like it would be about 1,000 times better than the horrid trailers
No info about Orci's movie was ever released, so that's a rather groundless statementand I say that as someone who agrees with you about the BEYOND trailer being horrid. Plus, Orci is a pretty weak writer.

Except that Tomorrowland is better than SW7.
There. I said it.

STB isn't a trilogy wrap up
http://trekmovie.com/2016/04/18/not-the-end-could-nutrek-franchise-go-from-star-trek-beyond-to-infinity/
(maybe Orcis was intended to wrap things up?)

Bet bird wishes hed done SW7 now instead of Tomorrowland

Absolutely. Imagine a Brad Bird directed Star Trek though That'd be cool.
www.universalmonstersuniverse.com

-had JJ not been persuaded to do SW7 (after Brad Bird passed as was doing Tomorrowland) hed have more than likely directed Trek3 and if so its reasonable to assume he would he have gone with/backed Orcis script. completing the JJ/Orci Trek trilogy (like Nolan/Goyer Bat trilogy)

That's saying a lot but I'm just happy we're at least getting another Star Trek movie. I would have liked to have seen what Orci would have done with it, but I think Beyond will be cool. I definitely agree with the earlier comment that it is bringing to mind Generations and Insurrection. Insurrection was actually the first Trek movie that came to mind when we saw the first trailer.
www.universalmonstersuniverse.com

agreed. I think what was rumoured at the time was the way to go for the 50th
Orci himself has said it was the only story he wanted to do for ST3 but Paramount obviously didn't feel that way:
"They brought [Justin Lin] in to start over because I was only willing and able to tell the story we had generated
"We wrote a two drafts of a script, but when it made it to the top and was rejected, we did a hail mary version of a new story in two weeks, but I knew it was a lost cause and not what I wnated to do. Was just trying to be a good soldier and not give up, but it became obvious that I needed to walk away or suffer for two years. Really, we submitted one story that I believed in."
http://trekmovie.com/2016/04/11/coming-onto-trek-a-rescue-mission-says-beyond-director-justin-lin-how-beyond-will-honor-leonard-nimoy-lins-hope-for-trek-on-tv/

The problem is, Orci's movie sounded like it would be about 1,000 times better than the horrid trailers we have gotten for STB so far. It would have also been a final way to pay tribute to the different Treks during the 50th instead of whatever this thing is we are seeing.

It's happened before where the original script was better than the new script example jack ryan shadow recruit another paramount film. Who ever is making these choices really needs to be fired from paramount especially if orci script turns out better than peggs. (Not that pegg can't write a good script it's just he practically had no time too)
"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"

btw Orci says he might get it turned into a novel or comic here:
kadajawi
April 11, 2016 11:49 am
Actually I liked STID way more than 2009, and would rate it as one of the better Star Trek movies. Top 3 or 4. And most of all, it is a Star Trek movie. Not an action movie disguised as a Star Trek movie. It takes up typical Trek issues, and I havent seen such a beautiful depiction of the Prime Directive, ever.
Now that doesnt mean it wasnt flawed, many things went wrong in the movie. I mostly attribute them to Lindelof and Kurtzman, so I would have loved to see Orci freed of them. Its a shame well never see that movie but maybe the script could be leaked? Im dying to find out what could have been. Bob? Please?
boborci
April 11, 2016 11:55 am
will try to get it turned into novel:)
Mike Barnett
April 11, 2016 3:03 pm
How about turning it into a comic book?
boborci
April 11, 2016 4:19 pm
That might be good, too!
http://trekmovie.com/2016/04/10/new-star-trek-beyond-promotional-images-appear-at-trade-show-in-las-vegas-abrams-and-pegg-to-appear-monday-night/