Couldn't care less about your opinion.
I'm the thing that keeps you up at night, the evil that haunts every dark corner of your mind

doesnt make dawn of justice any less awfuli put it way below twilight

Congratulations! You have a fully functional brain that can look at facts and think for itself. God knows that's rare!
I'm the thing that keeps you up at night, the evil that haunts every dark corner of your mind

not a single of my explanations required an explanation OUTSIDE the film..
not a single one. I gave 3 reasons why Martha made sense all based on what the film presented..
how dumb are you?? it says a lot when all the others seals on here clap their hands at this argument that made no sense at all
the characters motivation in BVS ultimate made 100000X more sense than xmen apocalypse

lets for a minute endorse this false narrative
if a scene of any sort needs an explanation OUTSIDE the film for it to somehow turn into a good scene than the scene is a failureour entire reason to care for these lifeless characters have nothing to do with their emotional core as a characterbut the logos on their chest
and thats why dawn of justice fails as both standalone entertainment and an adaption

If you make a joke and no one laughs, is it because they did not understand the joke or because they understood the joke and found it not funny?
Majority of the people who hate on the Martha scene don't hate it because they didn't understand it, they hate it because they understood it and found it stupid. So no amount of explaining will help it because people already understood it and judged it silly.

"MARTHA!"

you're making her cry. Next she'll call her mommy. whose name is Martha.
You're more advanced than a cockroach, ever tried explaining yourself to one of them?

Just because you like it and it was written simple enough to be understood by someone with obvious brain damage doesn't make them logical points of fact proving the scene was good.
Sorry!

Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick

hahahha fanatic dc fanboy??
when my previous \post said marvel is 100000X better at making movie!
hahaha go home clean up. go home clean up. use google to lookup that quote cause you clearly have no good taste for film

Obviously mad DC Fanatic is obviously mad.
all I get abck
followed by
you clearly cant form a coherent argument
damn, son. You shot your self on the foot there. Does it hurt?
You're more advanced than a cockroach, ever tried explaining yourself to one of them?

This message has been deleted.

hahah the little babies flag any comment that calls them out for being whiny cry babys
obvious trolls are obvious

special k kind of stupid

you must be some very special kind of stupid if you think no one understood it.
You're more advanced than a cockroach, ever tried explaining yourself to one of them?

Those films have story and actual character worknothing of the sort exists in any dc film post 2012none of these characters are nearly as likable as Hugh jack mans wolverine or nightcrawler

the whole idea of the film that batman didn't think superman was a nice guy. He thought he was capable of destroying the earth and brought massive destruction to it already (were you asleep for the intro of gotham towers falling?)
remember alfrids quote about rage and good guys turning bad??? derp derp
the Martha line took him out of his rage since it paralled his own history and experience. It held him at bay long enough to realise he maybe didn't understand everything. and it was shortly clarified that Martha was taken hostage.. wouldn't of taken long for the worlds smartest detective (batman) to figure out that Luther was orchestrating this all and that maybe superman wasn't as to blame as he had first thought
AGAIN so what if he said hes a nice guy? this had no relevance to batman. Martha just happened to trigger a traumatic childhood event. was it cheesy? sure? was it perfect? no. was it on par with other coincidences in other heroes films where their cheesiness and non perfectness are overlooked? hellll yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
but was it reinforced and well established and reinforced so that when it came up it was plausible and logical?
well if you look at the film objectively then yet, the director, cheese or not, did logically show that this would of mentally screwed up batman when he said it.
again. apocalypse made no sense. from the Egyptians plan to trap apocalypse, to nightcrawlers not escaping the cage, to apocalypse accessing cerebral, to mystique and magnetos motivation, to how they killed apocalypse, to why he didn't just turn them to sand, to do you want me to go on???
I place BVS at a 3/10.. on rewatching BVS ultimate edition, the only one I consider as the real version, I place it at a 7.
is it perfect? is it great? is it even the best they could of done? hell noooooo. but compared to other superhero films that get a pass it stands up.
marvel is 10000X times better than DC at connecting stories and logic.. this doesn't mean though that massive logical holes in fox n marvel movies should get a pass while plausible DC elements should be burned at the stake

Well yes, technically it made sense but it was so badly done that it came across as dumb as sht and laughable.
If Superman had said "I'm a really nice guy don't kill me," that also would have technically made sense as a means of making Batman think twice about killing Superman but it also would have been dumb as sht.

I said marvel is 100000X better at making movies and im called a DC sellout. im confused.

OP is right, but trolls are delusional.
Or you Pro-Martha.

Bitching about another film doesn't excuse the ones you like for being bad. No matter how much you want it to.
Im sorry you didnt like Xmen: Apocalypse. I didnt like it much either. I liked it more than BvS by a long shot but I dont think I will watch it again unless it is on TV and Im too hung over to get off the couch.

apparently comparing one hero film to another hero films analysis and criticism is now ridiculous and stupid according to the haters here..
aka the entire foundation of film analysis that analyzes how genres use motifs, character types, tension, plot and other stuff.
damn these people are stupid. again comparing it to xmen apocalypse it off limits according to these sheep.

This message has been deleted.

Prove that the scene is redeemableit isn'tit is objectively a horrible scene that promotes satanism