A lot has to do with Hellraiser after its release in 1988.
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Neither are my thing, but I would certainly prefer these types to the plastic people like Looney Tunes Loomer, Kristi Nobrain, Lauren Boobart, Melanoma and the other Trump women, all of the Faux News bimbos, all of whom look like department store mannequins dressed up as Pennywise.
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Whoever would get that in their back is a moron.
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I think there are a few reasons. Sometimes it has to do with the fact that things like piercings and tattoos and other forms of body modifications have always been a part of a subculture. It's a form of expression. I've seen some gorgeous piercings. A woman I knew used to have a "corset" pierced on her back.
I thought it was really pretty. She eventually removed the piercings, however, because it just became too uncomfortable for her to do her daily activities. I've also seen people do fakir-type suspension with their piercings, and that can (potentially) induce a spiritual connection/experience.
In other instances, and I think lately this is the more common one, it's become a type of "uniform" for people to recognize each other as having the same ideologies. It's about fitting in with others who share certain perspectives.
I'm also convinced that in many cases, it's just a phase, and people grow out of wanting them.
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It's simple. They hate the way they look and they want to own the repugnance. People are far more motivated to avoid pain than they are to seek out pleasure. They don't want the pleasure of looking better, they want to avoid the pain of being ugly. Being ugly through choice is gentler on the ego than being ugly by genetics.
They're hiding their self perceived ugliness beneath a mask that they can claim they believe is attractive. They aren't bothered whether it looks good, only that it covers up whatever feature(s) they hate. They incorrectly assume you'll think "why else would they do it to themselves if they didn't think it was beautification?" Unless of course you're one of the idiots who does actually fall for it.
See also ginger men with huge hair and/or who convert to Islam, black people calling themselves the N word, and goths, for a similar phenomenon. People are quite happy to degrade themselves if it creates a shield against external attack.
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Mental illness.

They were trying to fix something that was never broken and have become stuck in a feedback loop.
Exactly. It starts out as a mask to hide a perceived ugliness, but then the mask itself is ugly, so it too must be hidden. Eventually, the mask becomes so hideous, all they have left is the double down and the hope that you'll be fooled into thinking they believe their personalized aesthetic looks "cool".
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Initially it was fear.
They were trying to fix something that was never broken and have become stuck in a feedback loop.
Imagine a Fugazi double down, but with body modification where a person doesn't really respect the one body they were born with. You may see him doing something retarded and comment on it. In your world, you're trying to correct the record by trying to set him straight, but in his world that's filling a different set of needs. He doesn't want to be better. But he does want to control the narrative, release tension from his cognitive dissonance feedback loop, fulfill a need for social engagement through attention, etc.
One the other side of that, it makes profiling them and tracking them much easier. Facial recognition isn't as perfect as the media wants you to believe.
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What drives any mental disorder?
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IsraHell said...
You mean views you don't agree with.
So, she's usually smart, but on this, she's a moron?
Do you think people who pierce their ears or get tattoos do so out of mental illness? How do you feel about circumcision?
That's right, I never agree with stupid views.
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You mean views you don't agree with.
So, she's usually smart, but on this, she's a moron?
Do you think people who pierce their ears or get tattoos do so out of mental illness? How do you feel about circumcision?

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Because intent matters. They aren't doing the exact same thing at all. Body augmentation for the purpose of artistic expression is not the same as body augmentation to appear younger. Body augmentation to appear younger doesn't work, yet people do it anyway. That's mental illness, like people who think they can change their gender by cutting their penis off.
Sophist nonsense.
They're changing their body because they don't like how it looks. There's no difference.
It's a mental illness. Glad we cleared that up.
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I suppose people engage in body modification for a myriad of reasons.
So the question becomes, "Is the desire to modify one's own natural body a sign of mental disease?"
It should probably be best discussed on a case-by-case basis.
Body modification is rather permanent. Perhaps the person being modified doesn't see it that way or even think about that. They could be young and inexperienced.
Is being young and inexperienced a sign of mental illness? People modify themselves from the time they are born, whether it's their behaviour or their appearance (like their hair), at what point does once decide it's mental illness? Who decides?
I would agree that it's a slippery slope, just like everything else in this world of too many options.
At least we don't have to guess as much as to what's going on or not going on internally with these people.
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/.ㅤ said...
Depends on intent and whether they understand the consequences. Mentally ill people usually have misguided reasons for their actions because they don't understand the consequences.
because they don't understand the consequences.
That's a bit of a non-specific cop out. Who really understands the consequences of their actions? Generally immature or inexperienced people. Why do some immature people make these types of decisions and many don't?
It has been said that if you hang out with crazy people in the asylum, it's only a matter of time before you become crazy yourself.
I would imagine a schizophrenic's mind to look a lot like the online world. Are the mind's of those who haven't been tested, those haven't yet crystalized their views of the world and their place in it, more susceptible to "mental illness"?

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What if they live in a world of zero consequences when they get the body modification? In fact, what if the people in that world give them likes and support when they modify themselves?
Generally, that sort of thing is unsustainable. That's normally how it goes for people who get by with their looks and no other appreciable skills.
How would you interpret their reasons for actions in that perspective. That's generally the perspective of someone more experienced. That wouldn't necessarily be the experience of a young person getting the procedures. The person getting themselves modified would probably need to get the modification and then live with it for a while to understand this completely at that point.
But would it be mental illness? I personally think they were just brainwashed a bit. But at what point would we see the brainwashing as mentally illness? At what point is it hurting them? They are benefiting from it financially in the short term. However, if they were say, part of some religion that takes a long view of something like this, it might be frowned upon.
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However, if they were say, part of some religion that takes a long view of something like this, it might be frowned upon.
Maybe that's what happens when you worship money instead of what nature or god intended
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Depends on intent and whether they understand the consequences. Mentally ill people usually have misguided reasons for their actions because they don't understand the consequences.
What if they live in a world of zero consequences when they get the body modification? In fact, what if the people in that world give them likes and support when they modify themselves?
Generally, that sort of thing is unsustainable. That's normally how it goes for people who get by with their looks and no other appreciable skills.
How would you interpret their reasons for actions in that perspective. That's generally the perspective of someone more experienced. That wouldn't necessarily be the experience of a young person getting the procedures. The person getting themselves modified would probably need to get the modification and then live with it for a while to understand this completely at that point.
But would it be mental illness? I personally think they were just brainwashed a bit. But at what point would we see the brainwashing as mentally illness? At what point is it hurting them? They are benefiting from it financially in the short term. However, if they were say, part of some religion that takes a long view of something like this, it might be frowned upon.
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/.ㅤ said...
I suppose people engage in body modification for a myriad of reasons.
So the question becomes, "Is the desire to modify one's own natural body a sign of mental disease?"
Depends on intent and whether they understand the consequences. Mentally ill people usually have misguided reasons for their actions because they don't understand the consequences.
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/.ㅤ said...
Because intent matters. They aren't doing the exact same thing at all. Body augmentation for the purpose of artistic expression is not the same as body augmentation to appear younger. Body augmentation to appear younger doesn't work, yet people do it anyway. That's mental illness, like people who think they can change their gender by cutting their penis off.
I suppose people engage in body modification for a myriad of reasons.
So the question becomes, "Is the desire to modify one's own natural body a sign of mental disease?"
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Yet they're doing exactly the same thing. How are you able to declare one of them mentally ill but not the other?
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Because intent matters. They aren't doing the exact same thing at all. Body augmentation for the purpose of artistic expression is not the same as body augmentation to appear younger. Body augmentation to appear younger doesn't work, yet people do it anyway. That's mental illness, like people who think they can change their gender by cutting their penis off.
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/.ㅤ said...
One is delusional about what they are doing to themselves and the other isn't.
Yet they're doing exactly the same thing. How are you able to declare one of them mentally ill but not the other?
Woke doctrine?
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Innocent User said...
What's the difference?
One is delusional about what they are doing to themselves and the other isn't.
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/.ㅤ said...
The intent matters. Body modifiers are perfectly aware of what they are doing to themselves. They understand how it looks to other people. They aren't deluded into thinking it's something it isn't.
It's not like the women who get plastic surgery who think they are making themselves more attractive when they are actually turning themselves into uncanny beasts. Now THAT'S mental illness.
What's the difference?
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The intent matters. Body modifiers are perfectly aware of what they are doing to themselves. They understand how it looks to other people. They aren't deluded into thinking it's something it isn't.
It's not like the women who get plastic surgery who think they are making themselves more attractive when they are actually turning themselves into uncanny beasts. Now THAT'S mental illness.
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You're an idiot for consistently having stupid views. Lilith has shown herself to be intelligent.
That said, it is pretty stupid to dismiss mental illness. What is it when a creature mutilates themselves, if not a mental problem?
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