LivingDeadBoy️

No. It happened in the thread where Rob, myself, innocentuser, and slashie, were engaged in a debate about the nature of truth.
Fidelio♟️

I read that thread. It happened.

That never happened. Patrick just made that up.
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He was citing a specific slashie who argued that both homosexuals and transgender persons suffered from a disease. If you want to distance yourself from that, well and good.

Slashie never said that. Only bible thumpers say that anyway. So this is all just a big strawman.
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Nope. It was a selective move, blocking the claim that homosexuality is unnatural.
Slashie says being gay is unnatural.
Patrick says animals display gay behaviour (therefore it is natural).
Slashie says that Patrick claims all animal behaviour is human behaviour.
Not a syllogism at all.

He implied it by appealing to nature.
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Where does he say it's okay to **** on people from trees?

Yes he is.
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He was clearly responding to idiots who argue that homosexuality is unnatural. It isn't. It doesn't follow that he's arguing that
all
behaviour in nature is suitable for humans.

The appeal to nature is just retarded. Poop throwing and rape are both naturally occurring social behaviors.
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It does. So what?

Disease doesn’t occur in nature?
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LivingDeadBoy️

Thanks Steve! It would be fun to start a podcast some day. There would be a lot to talk about.
Fidelio♟️

Please record yourself singing "On the Sunny Side of the Street" or "I am a teapot, short and stout." I promise never to troll you again.

You have a good speaking voice. Good enough to even broadcast with. I would know.
I worked in Radio for almost 14 years.
The only poster who had his account banned 4 times without ever breaking any rules each of those times.

Please avoid personal anecdotal evidence here. This is a board where everything gets shared.

Throwing poop and rape are also natural parts of the animal kingdom and are not diseases.
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I almost bought a book on Spinoza and Leibniz yesterday (forget the name), but it would just join the huge collection of books that are piled up and that I haven't read, so I exercised free will and didn't buy it. My wife has threatened to leave me if I don't stop buying books.
I will take a look at old Baruch later.

LivingDeadBoy️

If I could resurrect one philosopher from the dead to have a conversation with, it would be Spinoza.
He isn't as emphasized as Descartes and Kant, but just as important. Almost the first real atheist philosopher and indirectly played a huge part in the development of modernity through his influence on other thinkers.
A Book Forged in Hell: Spinoza's Scandalous Treatise and the Birth of the Secular Age by
Steven Nadler demonstrates how important Spinoza is for us.
There has been a "Spinoza resurgence" in the last 40 years or so but he's always been seen as kind of a smaller figure than Descartes in the history of philosophy. I think he was actually much better and more consistent than Descartes and just as important, not less.
Fidelio♟️

I've always meant to read Spinoza more closely, but never got around to it. A lot people I admire seem to like him, so I should probably get on with it!

LivingDeadBoy️

Spinoza is one of my favorite philosophers of all time. I was a Spinozist for like 2 years. I think there could be an amended form of Spinozism. Deleuze already did this, but I never fully accepted his version. I guess the only problem with Spinozas form of monism would be the degree of which human reasoning would be a mode of the attribute of Thought but still determined by Substance itself rather than autonomous "self determining" like in Hegel. You could still grant reason autonomy even as an aspect of Substance, but then the determining power of Substance over the modes is compromised.
I like his philosophy a lot more than Hegels, it's more clear and elegant, but it just kind of seems like reason gets swamped by Substance.
Fidelio♟️

Agreed. I like Spinoza'a rationalism because it retains a metaphysical basis that is not, in itself, strictly rationalist. I have no problem with the rest of what you say.

LivingDeadBoy️

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