Your income tax and sales and property tax, you guys get raped in taxes.
Yeah, it kinda does, that's why Canada is way up there in euthanasia, you also run into issues where the state essentially owns you, which is why those toddlers were forbidden to be removed from **** hospitals in Europe for test treatments in the US. Death panels and such.
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actually we dont really. my income tax is 29%
how much is yours?
but also, LOL. free healthcare does not LEAD to encourage people to kill themselves. no matter HOW MUCH i wish that was the case tho
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Yeah, but you guys get taxed far more than we do, and you don't have to pay for your military, we pretty pay for that too. And the point wasn't so much about cost of it, just pointing out what happens when you have "free" Healthcare, the rationing leads to encouraging you kill yourself.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

nothing is free. its just what you choose to spend the taxes on.
you like to spend it on military. good for you.
we like to spend it on healthcare. good for us.
its a sum zero game my dude, its all just preference.
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I don't know what point you are trying to make. They vote for the side that best matches their own policy beliefs.
My point is when a government program is made rarely is it removed, regardless of what people think of it or how they vote, politicians don't hand over power.
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Yermom_Is_God said...
People don't vote for policy, they vote for teams, and the teams in DC have zero interest in giving up their power.
I don't know what point you are trying to make. They vote for the side that best matches their own policy beliefs.
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You can't be serious. If people don't like something, they can get rid of it. That's what democracy is. Please locate a middle school civics textbook and open it up.
People don't vote for policy, they vote for teams, and the teams in DC have zero interest in giving up their power.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

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I agree there is a powerful establishment in Washington that has immense influence, and they were no fans of Trump, but I disagree with you on who it is pulling the strings. It's not democrats, and them wanting to give needy people health care certainly doesn't prove any nefarious conspiracy. It's the people with the money who pull the strings. Money is power and these people oppose any policy that would require they pay a cent more in taxes, even if it is for the common good. They are why voters such as yourself oppose social programs. They brainwashed many Americans to such their dick, so they can keep getting richer at everyone else's expense. "Unions are bad!" "Taxes are bad!" "Trickle down economics!" All they care about is their own pocketbook.
This country is controlled by the wealthy. The reason they took out Trump isn't because he was a republican. Most of the wealthy are republicans. They took him out because he was anti-war and was planning to pull us out of Syria, Afghanistan, and was threatening to move public opinion away from unending military conflicts. If the 2020 election was stolen, and I don't believe it was as there is no proof it was, it wasn't Joe Biden and the democrats behind it. It was the military industrial complex. Trump was threatening their entire existence. They have the real power in this country, just like Eisenhower warned us.
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I didn't say it was just the Democrats, I'm referring to the political establishment that have been running things for decades.
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Yermom_Is_God said...
We literally voted in an outsider to come in and change our overreaching government, and as soon as our establishment politicians felt their power threatened the Democrats, RINOs and the media all worked together to derail his presidency, come up with bullshit scandals to stop him, exaggerate a virus and scare people into submission in order to destroy his booming economy and use it as an excuse to change all the rules to the election to make it easier to cheat so he'd lose and they can reinstall someone from the Bush/Clinton/Obama/Biden mafia. Don't be a fool.
I agree there is a powerful establishment in Washington that has immense influence, and they were no fans of Trump, but I disagree with you on who it is pulling the strings. It's not democrats, and them wanting to give needy people health care certainly doesn't prove any nefarious conspiracy. It's the people with the money who pull the strings. Money is power and these people oppose any policy that would require they pay a cent more in taxes, even if it is for the common good. They are why voters such as yourself oppose social programs. They brainwashed many Americans to such their dick, so they can keep getting richer at everyone else's expense. "Unions are bad!" "Taxes are bad!" "Trickle down economics!" All they care about is their own pocketbook.
This country is controlled by the wealthy. The reason they took out Trump isn't because he was a republican. Most of the wealthy are republicans. They took him out because he was anti-war and was planning to pull us out of Syria, Afghanistan, and was threatening to move public opinion away from unending military conflicts. If the 2020 election was stolen, and I don't believe it was as there is no proof it was, it wasn't Joe Biden and the democrats behind it. It was the military industrial complex. Trump was threatening their entire existence. They have the real power in this country, just like Eisenhower warned us.
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If the public wants to make any change in our government, they have the power to do so. If you don't believe that then you shouldn't even bother to vote.
We literally voted in an outsider to come in and change our overreaching government, and as soon as our establishment politicians felt their power threatened the Democrats, RINOs and the media all worked together to derail his presidency, come up with bullshit scandals to stop him, exaggerate a virus and scare people into submission in order to destroy his booming economy and use it as an excuse to change all the rules to the election to make it easier to cheat so he'd lose and they can reinstall someone from the Bush/Clinton/Obama/Biden mafia. Don't be a fool.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

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If the public wants to make any change in our government, they have the power to do so. If you don't believe that then you shouldn't even bother to vote.
To a tiny extent, just enough to make people feel like they have power, but nothing really significant.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

Yermom_Is_God said...
But see, you're wrong, you said we have these programs because people like them, but that's not true, nobody likes the TSA, nobody likes the Patriot Act, but they were created because an opportunity arose to increase the scope of government under the guise of safety. We also don't live in a Democracy where majority rules, so get that right.
If the public wants to make any change in our government, they have the power to do so. If you don't believe that then you shouldn't even bother to vote.
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Yermom_Is_God said...
But see, you're wrong, you said we have these programs because people like them, but that's not true, nobody likes the TSA, nobody likes the Patriot Act, but they were created because an opportunity arose to increase the scope of government under the guise of safety. We also don't live in a Democracy where majority rules, so get that right.
Side note, here's the TSA in a nutshell:
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

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Thinking the TSA is an annoyance is completely different from wanting to abolish it. We live in a democracy. In a democracy the people have to power to decide the policies of their government. They have the ultimate power. If the majority of the public wants to get rid of any government program, they can use that power to do so. When you acknowledge that these programs rarely get removed, you are conceding that the public likes them. Very good.
But see, you're wrong, you said we have these programs because people like them, but that's not true, nobody likes the TSA, nobody likes the Patriot Act, but they were created because an opportunity arose to increase the scope of government under the guise of safety. We also don't live in a Democracy where majority rules, so get that right.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

Yermom_Is_God said...
Yes, you cankeep saying that, but clearly it's not true. It should be true, but isn't. That's why government programs, when created, rarely get removed, despite the fact that most of them have unfavorable ratings. But yes, keep shouting "muh democracy" and we'll see if that changes anything.
Thinking the TSA is an annoyance is completely different from wanting to abolish it. We live in a democracy. In a democracy the people have to power to decide the policies of their government. They have the ultimate power. If the majority of the public wants to get rid of any government program, they can use that power to do so. When you acknowledge that these programs rarely get removed, you are conceding that the public likes them. Very good.
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You can't be serious. If people don't like something, they can get rid of it. That's what democracy is. Please locate a middle school civics textbook and open it up.
Yes, you cankeep saying that, but clearly it's not true. It should be true, but isn't. That's why government programs, when created, rarely get removed, despite the fact that most of them have unfavorable ratings. But yes, keep shouting "muh democracy" and we'll see if that changes anything.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

You can't be serious. If people don't like something, they can get rid of it. That's what democracy is. Please locate a middle school civics textbook and open it up.
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Lol, yeah, take a poll on that and see how many people love TSA, dumbass.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

Yes, we have a TSA because the public loves not having planes fall out of the sky. If the public didn't like it then they could vote for politicians who promise to get rid of it. I can't believe you've never heard of the concept of democracy before.
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I refuse to accept that you're this stupid. It don't matter who the **** you vote for, rarely do they get rid of government programs, and rarely do government programs have a favorable rating. But yes, we still have the TSA because the vast majority of Americans love them, lol!
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

Are you aware of a concept called democracy? It's where the public controls their own government by way of popular vote. If the public doesn't like a particular policy then they can vote for politicians who promise to change it. If they don't do that then they support the policy. The reason government run health care never gets overturned once implemented is because people like it.
Fucking retard.
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What's there to debate? It obviously has nothing to do with public popularity and everything to do with governments not handing over power once they take it, this is obviously the case, but you're stupid.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot

Did you learn your debating skills from a five year old?
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Well I'm glad we both agree that you're incredibly stupid.
"I am Kamala Harris, my pronouns are she and her, and I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit." -A fucking idiot