I don't care if it's dark or light tbh, as long as it's a good movie, which is looking like a pipe dream at this point.

so trueI pay $20 to see drama and action, I can watch tv if I want lame jokes

Marvel does naturally well at times, sometimes notJL can be the same way and still have its dark tones, depending how its executed.
Yep, they just have to go the way of CA:TWS and CA:CW rather than the way of AoU and they'll be fine, script permitting
"George, you can type this beep but you can't say it."

Humor is fine as long as its natural and it isn't forced or inappropriate for a scene. Marvel does naturally well at times, sometimes not, but are really known for having levity in their movies.
JL can be the same way and still have its dark tones, depending how its executed.
The only ones who should kill, are those who are prepared to be killed.

Yeah it sounds like forced humor. There's a difference between telling jokes and having a sense of humor (or levity).
I think it was funny for the wrong reason: Aquaman has been the button of jokes for a long time. However, in the comics he is the leader of a powerful nation. If Batman tried that line on Submariner, Bruce would be sleeping with the fishes! Lol

I don't mind levity - actually I encourage it, especially when they are trying to build a team dynamic, and given its in the right time and place - but that line: "I hear you talk to fish" or whatever it was reminded me wayyyyyy to much of "So, you like cats?" Except
that
felt a lot more consistant with something Sam would say, and I think Mackie has the kind of personality where he can deliver lines like that with ease, and make them funny. That fish line made me cringe. I hope they cut it from the movie.
"George, you can type this beep but you can't say it."

I hope Justice League doesn't borrow stuff from the Avengers films.
If you haven't seen the footage trailer you should already know they are attempting to have "Marvel like" humor.
The only ones who should kill, are those who are prepared to be killed.

There's a difference between being tonally consistant and being static.
Justice League definately needs levity. They are a team, and teammates aren't serious with eachother all the time. To build any kind of team dynamic, they are going to need more than what they had in BvS.
Marvel-esque levity is not a bad thing, its about picking the time and place for it (AoU being a bad example of it, CA:TWS and CA:CW being good examples), if DCEU can find the balance, they can still have a film that is considered to be serious or 'darker,' but avoids feeling dreary and broody.
Well said.
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I agree, especially with your comment on dark vs serious.

The problem with the DCEU was never the "dark tone", which I honestly don't think is that dark, just more serious. The problem is that that was
all
they had. There's a difference between being tonally consistant and being static. The lack of variation in tone made the movie feel bland, and the writing didn't help. I'm not saying the movie needs to be tonally bipolar, but it needed to be more dynamic. Justice League definately needs levity. They are a team, and teammates aren't serious with eachother
all
the time. To build any kind of team dynamic, they are going to need more than what they had in BvS. Marvel-esque levity is not a bad thing, its about picking the time and place for it (AoU being a bad example of it, CA:TWS and CA:CW being good examples), if DCEU can find the balance, they can still have a film that is considered to be serious or 'darker,' but avoids feeling dreary and broody. They need better writing.
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Superman will always have those who doubt him, or just afraid of his power. Why should he care and become emo for it ? That doesn't resemble strong will power and confidence, which is basically, being Superman. Then there is Batman, hell bent on killing Supes, for no apparent reason. The whole movie doesn't make any bit of sense.
How the name, "Martha" brought out the real Batman
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Superman in BvS does all he can to save people, whether he's rescuing flood victims or investigating Batman. But at the same time he's disillusioned by people who think he's bad for humanity or thinks that he should lay off the Batman story. In the end, he knows that it does not matter what other people think, it's what he does even if it means sacrificing himself. In the end, his death inspired Batman to be a better person.
Agree with every word.
"A big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff"
The Tenth Doctor explains all.

Superman in BvS does all he can to save people, whether he's rescuing flood victims or investigating Batman. But at the same time he's disillusioned by people who think he's bad for humanity or thinks that he should lay off the Batman story. In the end, he knows that it does not matter what other people think, it's what he does even if it means sacrificing himself. In the end, his death inspired Batman to be a better person.

I hope the tone is more optimistic in the end. Not some 50/50 we saved the day but it cost us something. BVS is great but our heroes need to kick ass this time. I hope there is some levity but what i really want are realistic and heavy consequences. I don't want goofy villains like loki or jared leto joker unless they're killing people. I want to see the bodies laying in the streets when Darksied comes. I can't stand how Hulk finds time to punch Thor during an alien invasion. Or knowing where these guys are going to eat after they stop steppen wolf. so I root for our heroes to stop the evil.

A mopey hero does not equate to a dark and mature tone. A dark tone works if the hero attempts to LEAD his fellow man out of despair.
Instead, the characters in BVS are written in a very immature way. Written from the point of view of a teen who does not know how to be a man yet,probably because he never received any guidance in his role as a provider and protector.
Superman doesn't have to smile, but he should exude confidence and (moral and spiritual) strength. He should be an example for us to emulate, not a mopey teen I have to hide the knives from.

Dark works with Batman because, well, he's a complicated and a tormented soul. Doesn't work with Superman or Flash. Dark tone means, let's mess Superman up again, as if BvS wasn't enough.
How the name, "Martha" brought out the real Batman
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No, they tried that with BVS and it didn't work. Zack Snyder is no Chris Nolan so he should stop aping him. Let the DC characters have fun for once.
Whatever you are, be a good one.

make a political thriller with superheroics.
One of the reasons Throne of Atlantis is one of my all-time favourite comic books.
"A big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff"
The Tenth Doctor explains all.

Actually, you can if you emphasize his role as leader of the most powerful and feared nation in the world and his political differences with his half brother Orm and extremists such as the Deluge. Basically, make a political thriller with superheroics.

You can't take Aquaman seriously.

I keep hearing the term "dark tone". As much as I love a film on the "darker" side, I'm still learning what that means.. Nolans trilogy and BvS were both "dark" but what made Chris's films feel heavier is the maturity and creativity behind them, they are just better films. I think WB trying to constantly live up to nolanverse is silly because they are comparing all the wrong aspects.

No, that happened with SS. With BvS what happened was they had a 3 hour cut (the Ultimate Edition/Director's Cut) which the studio was okay with, then they got cold feet and chopped out 30 minutes last minute.
I was making the joke about the editing because they wanted to make SS lighter.
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So that really happened w BvS? I remember reading about that. That's just rediculouse. WB is a strange production company, one of the most successful but at times over compensates and does weird sh@t.