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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 02:32 PM)

After 3.4 million years of Stone Age + about 6,000 years of non-Stone Age look at us, we're The Planet of the Idiots!
We feed our kids the white lies of civilization. The myths. The imaginary things the adults pretend are not imaginary.
There's the myth of "importance" (aka "imperative"). Yet reality is nothing about organic life or about the universe itself is "imperative". There is nothing of "importance" to achieve or avoid. We do what we do but in the end we might as well have not have, the universe had no preference.
There's the myth of "necessity" (aka "need"). Your parents told you you have "needs". But you don't. None of us do. The desire to avoid death does not create a "need" for oxygen. The desire to walk on legs does not create a "need" for legs.
There's the myth of "should". That you "ought" to do something before you die. Reality is there isn't anything you "should" do under any circumstances. Reality is you do what you and the universe will never care about you.
There's the myth of "must" (aka "have to"). That you "must" do something before you die. Reality is there isn't anything you "have to" do no matter what the circumstances are. Reality is you do what you and the universe will never care about you.
There's the myth of "justification". Reality is an organism can't even "justify" breathing the atmosphere.
There's the myth of "laws" and "crimes", "theft" and "murder" (aka "unsanctioned killing"). Making up rules is useful but they're still as made up as the rules for playing chess.
There's the myth of "morally right and morally wrong" where they mix up good and evil with accuracy for you. Reality is the universe doesn't care how evil we are, it isn't checking our behaviour to a script to see if we're reading our lines as stated or comparing our test scores to a card it had in its pocket.
Rape isn't inaccurate and 1+1=6.4 is not evil, morons.
There's the myth of "property" (aka "ownership"). Reality is none of us even "owns" the brain matter we think with.
There's the myth of "deserving". Reality is no one ever "deserved" anything they got and no one ever will.
There's the myth of "owing". Reality is no one "owes" anyone or anyone anything.
There's the myth of "duty" and "responsibility". Reality is a mother has no more "duty" or "responsibility" to take care of her newborn offspring than she has to leave it in a dumpster to die.
There's the myth of "purpose". Reality is a carpenter can't give a chair he's making a "purpose". Anybody can come along and use the chair for whatever they want.
There's the myth of "value" (aka "worth"). Reality is a single atom of oxygen or gold holds the same amount of "value" as a planet-size chunk of oxygen or gold; absolute zero, which is the exact same amount of "value" it held long before organic life came along.
There's the myth of "perfection and imperfection". We often hear no one is "perfect" and it happens to be true but it's true because reality is no one is "imperfect".
There's the myth of "nations". Reality is they're no more real than they were when the landmasses were like one big continent populated by dinosaurs or whatever.
There's the myth of "money" and "the economy" while reality is that's a load of complete horse manure.
All your cultures and all your religions are offensive to me and I wish our ancestors had all died so all seven billion of us now living were never born.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/topic/65518/ot-anyone-else-just-wish-mankind-had-died-out-before-we-were-bornRSS for NodeFri, 15 May 2026 13:57:33 GMTMon, 13 Apr 2026 21:52:53 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:18 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 12:46 PM)

sigh
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677638https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677638Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:18 GMT]]>tjlamb0518 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 12:24 PM)

One thing that's not a fictionyou're an ass-hat.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677637https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677637Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:17 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 12:16 PM)

No. Dusk is the sun "setting". Dawn is the sun "rising".
No, that's actually
sunset
and
sunrise
(also not processes). Dusk and dawn are the
times around
when the sun is "setting" and when the sun is "rising", just like afternoon is the time of the sun setting from noon until evening yet is not a process.
I think you have confused processes with
events
. Your birthday is not a process, it's an event.
You're stuck in modern thinking. The concepts pre-date the knowledge of the Earth not being the centre of the universe by a long time.
It has nothing to do with modern thinking or personal knowledge of the Earth and Sun.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677636https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677636Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:17 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:55 AM)

I repeat, it's nice that the Earth and Sun slow to a screeching halt at noon and midnight for you to have a point.
You have no idea what the word "moment" really means, do you?
I'll help you along a bit: "A very brief period of time."
They're names we gave to indicates times of day.
No. Dusk is the sun "setting". Dawn is the sun "rising".
You're stuck in modern thinking. The concepts pre-date the knowledge of the Earth not being the centre of the universe by a long time.
However, this is (as always with you) futile, because you just keep shifting things away from the main discussion, in order to find some way of either making a point or getting the other person to grow tired of you, so you can feel like your "philosophy" has been confirmed.
But I'm just tired of you.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677635https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677635Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:16 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:43 AM)

I repeat, it's nice that the Earth and Sun slow to a screeching halt at noon and midnight for you to have a point.
Afternoon is not a process. Nor is noon, dusk, dawn or midnight. They're names we gave to indicates times of day. Day is not a process either or one set moment, it is a name we gave a time, the same length of time
as
the Earth rotating once (which is a process).
EDIT: So to sum up:
Me walking around you? Process.
"Left" and "right"?
Not
process.
Earth rotating? Process.
"Dusk"?
Not
process.
"Midnight"?
Not
process.
"Dawn"?
Not
process.
"Noon"?
Not
process?
"Afternoon"?
Not
process.
One "day" aka 24 "hours"?
Not
process.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677634https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677634Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:16 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:22 AM)

Nope.
Midnight is one set moment. Noon is one set moment. Dusk and dawn are longer periods of time - it's the process of "moving up" or "moving down". The concepts are far older than the realization that it's the Earth rotating.
It's the truth. Deal with it.
For someone as stuck on dime-store philosophy as you are, you're sure not up on abstract notions.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677633https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677633Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:15 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:20 AM)

So the Earth speeds up and slows down so your idea of things can be correct. That's handy.
The Earth rotates. We've given times of day "names". There's no different processes going on. You've lost. Deal with it.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677632https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677632Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:15 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 10:54 AM)

Nope. Dusk and dawn are the
movement
over/below the horizon. Noon and midnight are the moments when the sun is at its highest/lowest.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677631https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677631Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:14 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 10:18 AM)

Either dusk and dawn are moments as well or noon is the process of the sun passing right over you and midnight the process of it passing right under you.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677630https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677630Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:14 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:54 AM)

Dusk and dawn are not processes anymore than noon and midnight are.
Noon and midnight are two exactly set moments in time. Dusk and dawn are not.
They are the process of the sun disappearing under and reappearing over the horizon, respectively.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677629https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677629Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:13 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:47 AM)

I repeat, my moving around you is a process but "left" and "right" are not. Dusk and dawn are not processes anymore than noon and midnight are.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677628https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677628Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:13 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:09 AM)

Care: attach importance to.
Value: consider to be important.
Those are not processes.
The Earth growing darker/brighter due to its rotation isn't a process?
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677627https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677627Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:12 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 08:26 AM)

No, "valuing" is a definition of a process. A process that exists whether there is a word for it or not.
The process of caring exists whether there is a word for it or not but the process of "valuing" implies not just caring about something but also affecting the "value" of what you care about which is entirely imaginary.
You can care about gold and jewels all you want and call your caring "unicorning" but your caring does not affect the gold's or jewels' amount of unicorn.
Humanity has defined "dawn" and "dusk"; do the processes end if we remove the words?
Those are not processes. Me moving around you and you calling it "you moving from the left of me to the right of me" does not make "right" and "left" processes.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677626https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677626Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:12 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:28 AM)

"Valuing" is a trick of language.
No, "valuing" is a definition of a process. A process that exists whether there is a word for it or not.
Humanity has defined "dawn" and "dusk"; do the processes end if we remove the words?
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677625https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677625Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:11 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:42 AM)

Your argument is that value doesn't exist without the definition
No, that is not my argument.
but the biological functions that inform the word exist whether there is a definition or not.
sigh Instinct exists. Emotions exist. Caring exists. "Value" does not exist. "Valuing" is a trick of language.
It doesn't matter how much you care about your survival. Your survival has no "value".
That you are "valuing" your survival is just an idea in your head because of language.
EDIT: It's the idea that caring
creates
"value". It
doesn't
. You can care more about gold than about your life. You can care more about your life than about gold. It doesn't change the "value" of gold or of your life because they
have none
.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677624https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677624Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:11 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:33 AM)

Of course they do.
Your argument is that value doesn't exist without the definition, but the biological functions that inform the word exist whether there is a definition or not.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677623https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677623Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:10 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 05:49 AM)

You have it backwards. Organisms have instincts. They have no "value".
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677622https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677622Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:10 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 05:39 AM)

Caring is valuing on a strictly personal level.
Caring is a subset of valuing. Caring can't exist without value.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677621https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677621Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:09 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 05:17 AM)

And that's the trick of language. Caring is real, "value" is not. "Valuing" thereby becomes fuzzy.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677620https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677620Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:09 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:56 AM)

Caring is just another word for valuing.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677619https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677619Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:08 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:47 AM)

It means you have a value for your existence that is higher than zero.
No, like I said, caring does not turn "value" non-fictional. Caring is just caring.
EDIT: In nature (or biology, I guess?) organisms without self-preservation instincts go extinct. Not going extinct does not turn "value" non-fictional.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677618https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677618Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:08 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:20 AM)

Value has
everything
to do with not ending it all. It means you have a value for your existence that is higher than zero.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677617https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677617Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:07 GMT]]>matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:12 AM)

If value is a myth, you would already have shuffled off this mortal coil, because there would not be a reason left to live.
Explain your reasoning there. "Value" is a myth, it has nothing to do with me indulging my instinct to survive and stick around.
But for some reason you still value life enough to not end it.
We don't "value". That's a trick of language, not reality.
EDIT: We
care
about things but that does not turn "value" non-fictional.
That's the reason why nihilism will always be wrong.
I don't care about nihilism. Life is not
meaning
less hence nihilism is false.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

]]>https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677616https://filmglance.com/discuss/post/677616Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to OT: Anyone else just wish mankind had died out before we were born? on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 21:53:07 GMT]]>Fluffis — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 03:46 AM)

If value is a myth, you would already have shuffled off this mortal coil, because there would not be a reason left to live.
But for some reason you still value life enough to not end it.
Meaning that value is not a myth.
The rest of those things follow automatically.
That's the reason why nihilism will always be wrong. Everyone that ends his/her life, ends the existence that they didn't value. Meaning that all that's left in the world, is people who value their existence.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur.

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