predictable caricature of 'latina'
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sensationofeuphoria — 16 years ago(March 23, 2010 12:30 AM)
I see what you mean.
But considering the fact that I'm Romanian, I see myself as a "half-brother" of you, a Brazilian,as you are a "half-brother" of a Portuguese and that Portuguese is a half brother of a Spaniard.
Either way you put it , Portugal came from Spain. Their background was similar to our Republic of Moldavia, they speak a Rusified Romanian, but they are still Romanians, to the core. No matter how much Russian spunk was spilled in the mix.
So you might not see yourself as a Latino, that's understandable ,but Aztec, Inca blood aside, you are as Latin as me, my friend.
If we compare our DNA structure , WE BOTH come from the same ROMAN STOCK !
So that makes us kindred, either you like it or not !
Peace!
Brazilians don't have Inca or Aztec blood, that's Peruvians and Mexicans. Most of us Brazilians have African blood in us. A minority of us have indigenous admixture in our gene pool. -
neamtzu_rau — 15 years ago(April 16, 2010 07:32 AM)
Where the fock were the Inca/Aztec Empires ?
Correct me if I'm not mistaking, but they were smack in the middle of Southern America where guess what? Brazil is now situated.
You have more Native Inca blood in you.
African slaves came AFTER the Portguese + Spanish.
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pk_000 — 16 years ago(November 17, 2009 01:59 PM)
No, the Inca were in what is present day Peru. Aztec weren't even in South America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_civilization
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pk_000 — 15 years ago(July 03, 2010 09:33 AM)
Latin is a language, originating in a certain part of Italy, and also an ancient people from Italy (from which the 'latin' language came from).
The ancient Italic tribe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latins_(Italic_tribe)
The latin language:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin
There are a lot of languages that are derived from latin, including French Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese, but that is NOT what latino in the US means.
'Latino' is short for 'latinoamericano'. So no, Romanians are NOT latino. -
neamtzu_rau — 15 years ago(August 13, 2010 02:00 AM)
I never said Romanians are Latino.
Geesh, where do you get off your high horse and start listening?
Listen here, Gringo, we are all of Latin descent, either you like it or not.
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edson-br — 15 years ago(August 17, 2010 02:36 PM)
No, Brazilians are not descendants of the Latinos. Nonsense! The Brazilians are not even relatives of Latinos. There are very few Brazilians who have some blood tie with the Latins. Probably they do not represent even 1% of the our population. Those Brazilians who have Hispanic last names are, in most cases, descendants of Spaniards, not Latins.
Brazilians are of Portuguese, African and Indian (who inhabited Brazil before its discoverer Pedro lvares Cabral) descent. Besides that overwhelming majority - circa 90% - there is an influence of the largest immigrant groups: Italians, Arabs, Germans, Japaneses
This is the reality. Indeed a reality already verified by several research and demographic senses. The rest is bllsht, ignorance and intellectual dishonesty.
Just come to Brazil and see is very simple.
It is curious that foreigners who have never been in Brazil come here to say that they "know" more about Brazil than the Brazilians themselves. What arrogance!
It's no u5b4se! As much as the foreign press - and even those colonized ones in the Brazilian press - try to sell the Brazilian as "Latins," the Brazilian people will never see as "Latins" or "Latin-Americans." Simply because it never felt itsef that way.
It's like a heterosexual "want" to be homosexual because a lot of people tell him he should try being gay
Want to force the Brazilians "to be" Latinos is ridiculous and an something Nazi or Communist attitude.
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Ecthelion2005 — 15 years ago(August 31, 2010 01:06 PM)
You say that Brazil have many influences from german, italian and japanese inmigrants but many inmigrants also came from Spain. The reality is that portugese are very close to spaniards. Galicians even speak a languague that is very similar to portuguese.
And Brazil is surrounded from spanish speaking countries so you have a lot of influence from them. -
kascha-klaussen — 11 years ago(January 31, 2015 03:10 AM)
Spaniards are Caucasians. They are White Europeans, not Latino at all.
Romanians are Caucasians. They are White Europeans, not Latino at all.
Neither of them come from anything resembling Latin origin.
With all of that said, this dood you're replying to is still full of it. He's butt hurt and arguing the same way light skinned and darker skinned Blacks argue with each other about some mythical Dr. Seuss like racial "star" some are born with that others aren't that supposedly signifies who is real and who is not real among his own race, assuming first that he's actually Brazilian.
I'd have thought it impossible that anyone still had enough time on their hands to devote themselves to manufacturing differences between themselves and others these days, but I guess I learn something new every day. People still think they'll smell like roses to everyone the second they push the person next to them into a pile of poo. How hilariously sad. -
ts-conceicao — 10 years ago(August 01, 2015 12:36 AM)
that others aren't that supposedly signifies who is real and who is not real among his own race, assuming first that he's actually Brazilian.
First, Brazilian is not a race. Therefore he can't be arguing that. Second, he was just pointing out the truth, that Brazil has a unique culture and genetic heritage. It means that not only we speak a different language, but our ancestors were different.
Instead of projecting your insecurities onto others, why not explain why you think the whole "latino" thing makes sense? -
theblackestmagic — 9 years ago(May 05, 2016 05:44 PM)
Are you ignorant, or just plain out of your mind? Spainards ARE Latin, as are The French, Italians and Portugese. The original Latins were/are The Italians for crying out loud! The Latin language derives from Italy!
To even begin to state that none of these specific ethnic groups are of Latin origin reveals an absolutely staggering amount of ignorance on your part I'm afraid to tell you.
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edson-br — 16 years ago(November 17, 2009 01:59 PM)
Wrong. Brazilians are not Hispanics or Latins because Latino is Hispanic.
Nobody here said that the Brazilians are 'better' than Latinos. This is your inferiority complex. It's you who seems to be ashamed to be Brazilian (if you are even brazilian really) and is also desperate to be a shameful caricature of Latin.
Brazil is South America's biggest nation, not "Latin America's one". Brazil was never Latin America. Brazilians never were Latins/latinos. Latin America is actually the group of Spanish-speaking countries in the american continent. Latin America = Hispanic America. Brazil is another region by itself= the Portuguese America (or Afro-Portuguese America). Brazilians never spoke Spanish in no time or part of our country. Brazilians people is not "relatives" to Hispanics (that is a American fanatasy). We are a intense mix of Portugal + Africa + Tropical Amerindians (majority from Atlantic coast). Latins are, basically mainly in South America a mix of Spaniards + Andean Amerindians. The contrast is very evident: culturally, ethnically, in the behavior and visually (just traveling through South America to notice imediatally this visual difference). Brazilians are geographically South-Americans but culturally we have our own culture and people. Over the centuries Hispanics complain that Brazil is back to Latin America. They are right, but it's not snobbery, it's because Brazil is another culture, another people, another America (neither better nor worse). There are basically 3 Americas: the Anglophone America (USA, Canada, Jamaica, parts of the Caribbean), Latin America (The American of Latinos, that speak Spanish) and the Portuguese America, Brazil, which is 49% of the territory of South America.
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subase — 16 years ago(March 16, 2010 09:40 PM)
I would agree her performance in City of God is different to her most recent films.
Nonetheless, I doubt the directors told her to do this but she herself has taken onto imitating latinos that live in the states. (I would say mexican and a bit of puerto rico)
It is a shame you don't buy and find it offensive. But it doesn't bother me, she is an actress after all, her being brazilian is completely irrelevant. -
sasiperere — 15 years ago(May 02, 2010 10:06 AM)
edson_br is a "cmulo da ignorncia". LOL!!
E tao burro que nao vai entender isso, ha-ha-ha1!!
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aquariana — 15 years ago(July 04, 2010 06:34 PM)
Brazil is not a latin country? since when?
I was under the impression that Brazil is not a HISPANIC country, but it is a latin country for two reasons: 1. it is part of latin america 2. the spoken language is latin based. Therefore, everybody who comes from that country is latin.
You should know that portugese, spanish, italian, french and romanian ppl are latin as well, not only because of the root of the language (romance language), but because in the old days mostly, all those countries were called "latin europe. Look it up.
The problem is, that nowadays the word latin/latino/latina is used to describe somebody with hispanic descent. That term is very narrow and it doesnt fit the reality of the situation.
Somebody from Colombia is both hispanic AND latin. Brazilians are LATIN but not hispanic ( hispanic comes from hispania: latin word of Espana=Spain). Hispanics come from countries where the main language is spanishbla bla bla i think i made my point.
Even argentinians, who are from italian descent, cannot escape the fact that they are both hispanic and latin. So to say that ms. Braga is not latin because she is brazilian does not make an ounce of sense.
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Ace_Moonshot — 15 years ago(July 11, 2010 07:23 AM)
Very well said. End result the factual reality is they are latino. But not hispanic. It does get confusing at times to the layman but you'd think by now we'd have learned. Myself, I see her as Brasilian. And in no way a "caricature" of anything that she already is.
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dantt777 — 14 years ago(April 14, 2011 02:57 PM)
I agree with everything you said but one thing. The word Hispania was the name that the Romans gave for the Iberian Peninsula which includes both Portugal and Spain (and also Andorra!). So technically Brazilians could be Hispanic too. I have been to Brasil many times and demographically many areas look like Argentina and Uruguay in the South, Colombia, the Dominican Republic and Haiti in the North, and the Amazon looks just like the Amazon of Peru, Colombia or Ecuador with the same indigenous people. As far as the Asian populations, Brazil has Japanese and so does Peru and even Bolivia. Brazil has germans and so does Chile and Argentina. Brazil has jews and so do many other countries in LAC. Argentina has more people of Italian background than Brazil percentage wise. Also Venezuela has tons of people of Portuguese descent (and Italians too!). The only difference is that in Brazil your see an Eduardo Peres and in Argentina is Eduardo Perez. But the whole Latin American area regions is a big mixture bowl from the lightest to the darkest, and culturally, very diverse cultures all over the place but very similar. In the US, the race/ethnicity definitions are all over the place as far as Brazilians, some consider them Latinos some don't (wrongly), and the same with Hispanic. Also check any Latino/Hispanic festival in any US city and the Brazilian delegations is always there too. Many people in the US do not want to include Brazilians in the Latino mix too becasue then Latinos are even a greater percentage of the population and politically and socially they are scared of that.