If not for Whitney
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marsfilander — 20 years ago(August 06, 2005 03:58 AM)
Whitney is a loser as a person, despite the top-notch natural talent singing and physical beauty that she was born with. She's jacked ub68p her voice with all the drinking and drugs and destroyed her looks. She's a self-destructive person and Bobby is her partner in self-destruction. It's a train wreck at 10 mph.
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wreese5 — 20 years ago(August 25, 2005 08:29 PM)
Whitney probably started using crack so that she could delude herself into thinking that Bobby was handsome, charming, and intelligent instead of - well, you know
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ak2007 — 20 years ago(October 01, 2005 03:21 PM)
Usher was inspired by Michael Jackson, he has said it numerous amounts of times in interviews - but he has said Bobby Brown was great back in the late 80s - but don't forget Mikes New Jack Swing styled album "Danderous"
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Guy-32 — 20 years ago(November 12, 2005 04:55 AM)
Usher was most definitely inspired by Bobby Brown. He's slow to give Bobby credit because Bobby dismissed him way back when they met and he felt hurt. Usher is a black man, involved in R&B music and was born in 1979. It is impossible for him not to be influenced by Bobby Brown and the New Jack sound he carried on his back. Dangerous was Mike's attempt to stay relevant in an R&B world that was quickly passing him by, as it began to incorporate hip-hop (See also Diamonds & Pearls, Prince). So he went out and got Teddy Riley (whose biggest hit was with Bobby Brown) to update his sound. The resulting album was an extremely talented artist trying to sound just like everybody else. He hasn't been musically relevant since.
The hate for Bobby on this board is hilarious. The man is a widely successful artist in his own right. There are only like 155b4 black males who have outsold him as a solo act. Of course there are only like 10 solo acts that have outsold Whitney. But really, are these people implying that Whitney should have married somebody who sold as many albums as she did? That pretty much limits it to Billy Joel and George Strait. It's stupid to blame Bobby for not making as much money as Whitney, I also think it's stupid to blame Bobby for any destructive decisions Whitney might have made during their time together. People are not perfect and marriages are usually even farther from perfect. I think the fact that they've made it 13+ years in spite of all the beep negative attention and people like the ones on this board speaks far more about them than either of their catalogs could. -
ak2007 — 20 years ago(November 21, 2005 10:53 AM)
Yeah your not too wrong there, I guess I am being a lil biased about Michael, as he is one of the most influential artists of all time to me - and his sales also say it all. But "Dangerous" was a great style of "New Jack Swing" and the album did beat "Bad" by another million, (which had like what, several number ones) - where "Dangerous" just one, being "Black or White" But yeah, Michael was fitting into that New Jack era, and I though he succeeded quite well as the album was very neat - although five songs on that album out of thirteen where outta place.
Coincidently, Jermaine (his brother) in that year (1991) brought out an album called "You Said", which was produced by 'The LaFace Family' - the same guys that helped revive Bobbys carreer with his "Don't Be Cruel" album The album didn't do so well - but I think it is brilliant, if you like New Jack Swing - then give this a listen, I advise it to anyone!! Babyface even does a duet on one song and its brilliant
I'll write more later, as I have a driving lesson in ten
So What The FussStevie Wonder
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Guy-32 — 20 years ago(November 27, 2005 03:04 PM)
"Helped revive Bobby's career"? Bobby had been toiling in the background of New Edition for years, he dropped his first solo album in 87 at the age of 18 and had a respectable R&B #1 with "Girlfriend". His career was not in a position to be revived. Don't Be Cruel didn't revive his career, it made him the biggest R&B star in the world by the end of 1989.
Also I have no idea where you are pulling these sales figures from. Bad sold 6 million copies in the 7 months following it's release. It took Dangerous 32 months to sell 6 million copies. Dangerous never outsold Bad and Bad is still over a million copies ahead. -
ak2007 — 20 years ago(February 11, 2006 02:33 AM)
Wow Nearly forgot about this thread Yeah Dangerous did outsell Bad overall (we are talking worldwide, yeah?) - if you don't believe me, ask the Michael Jackson board - for f ucks sake I should know - if it wasn't for the molestation charges it would of sold millions more
And back to the point "Don't Be Cruel" did revive Bobbys
solo
career, when you think of an album from him, its "Don't Be Cruel", because "King of Stage" didn't appeal to alot of people and do well overseas, it only had two singles from the album: Girlfriend and Girl Next Door, but "Don't Be Cruel" appealed to everyone. -
Guy-32 — 20 years ago(February 11, 2006 05:17 AM)
All of the sales figures I was quoting were American sales. I never talk about worldwide sales figures. To me, it doesn't make much sense to discuss American R&B worldwide. By and large, the world market never gets to anything until American music media blows it up (in terms of sales at least, critically it can be a very different story). The worldwide aftershock of Thriller continues to allow Michaels to sell virtually anything overseas.
If you want to talk about B. Brown in a global context then Don't Be Cruel could not have revived his career because in a global context he never had a career. Nobody who bought albums outside of the US knew who Bobby Brown was before 1988. You can't revive a career if there never was a career. Before he went solo he was a back up singer in a band that had released 3 albums and managed to sell about 2 million copies combined. If Joey Fatone went solo in 2000 and released an album that went gold and followed it up in 2002 with an album that outsold all of NSYNC's albums combined, I wouldn't say that his career was revived. But that's just me. We seem to be coming from very different places in this discussion. -
ak2007 — 20 years ago(February 11, 2006 07:15 AM)
I guess we don't, I was actually talking from a worldwide point of view, maybe I should have put that - I'm not from the States, so I hope you can see where I'm comming from if I don't start talking about sale figures from State-side only.
Maybe
revive
wasn't the word I was looking for - what I'm trying to get out is that, Don't Be Cruel was his definition of a solo artist globally and of course in the States - I have "King of Stage" and I love it, but its nothing on Don't Be Cruel, and I've read many reviews i.e. Amazon and they say that King of Stage tanked, meaning that it didn't do soo well when released. Globally (as I keep saying) everyone knew of New Edition - and like every main singer of a group, they all knew who B Brown was - but because of scepticalism it took a second time round to be renouned to everyone at just how good of an artist he is.
P.S. I couldn't see Joey Fatone doing that, maybe Lance Bass, maybe! But nah not Joey Even if it was theoretical. -
ak2007 — 20 years ago(February 11, 2006 07:38 AM)
Yeah Maybe you can guide me into which New Edition albums I should get? As you seem like a person who knows their music!! I'm always trying to built up my collection of music One of my favourites being the New Jack Swing era!! And I love groups like New Edition - but I've only got a few of their tracks through limewire - but I wanna purchase the legit albums!!
Heres something I think you'll like:
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koffeenkreame41-1 — 9 years ago(June 16, 2016 10:33 AM)
Usher was inspired by Michael Jackson, he has said it numerous amounts of times in interviews - but he has said Bobby Brown was great back in the late 80s - but don't forget Mikes New Jack Swing styled album "Danderous"
This. Shame some forget this.
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