This is one amazing woman!
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Ps1ch — 21 years ago(February 18, 2005 07:30 PM)
Why is she a hero? She hasn't done anything special besides being extremelly overweight? Is that your inspiration? To be fat and not care? Anybody can be a hero if she or he puts on 300 lbs by the way you think. So please don't use the word "hero" meaninglessly:)
Ps1ch
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kiff1235 — 21 years ago(March 09, 2005 05:24 PM)
I never called her a hero. I said that she was a great person for appearing in this movie because she looks the way that she does. She had to have realized that many people (jerks) would laugh at her when they saw her. I wish I didn't care about what other people thought about my appearance.
beep it Dude, let's go bowling."
"Hello again my beauties-is it happening?"-Freddie Mercury -
marienke — 21 years ago(March 26, 2005 04:46 AM)
But morbid obesity is a desease. I think people need to realize that eating can be an addiction, just like alcohol and drugs. Being this obese is a symptone of some bigger thing that is wrong with her mentally.
Nobody wants to be like she is. Just imagine yourself in her situation. The easiest thing to do would be to hide for the rest of the world but instead she shows herself. That is a brave thing to do and must have been really hard for her. Way to go!
By the way, she just had to be in What's Eating Gilbert Grape! Her ex-husband wrote the book and probably based that character on her. -
marienke — 21 years ago(March 31, 2005 01:36 PM)
No I don't think she's a hero. Personally I think Gandhi and Mandela are heroes because they did extraordinary things. That's my opinion. Everybody has other people they think are heroes. That's not the point I want to make.
Imagine yourself being different then other people. It doesn't matter in what way. Maybe your extremely thin or you have blue skin or 3 legs or whatever. You feel different and that makes you insecure. Then it takes more energy and guts to do things than more 'normal' looking people. Being this big is an extreme case so it needs extreme willpower to do the things she does. I think it's awesome that she's in a movie. That must not have been easy for her.
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alamay — 21 years ago(April 03, 2005 01:40 AM)
Good Lord.
We don't even know how to DEFINE heroes in America anymore. There are a lot of "sports heroes" out there right now testifying under oath that they ever took steroids.so let's all give it a rest until we can define "hero."
Until then, for all the know-it-alls out there, have any of you heard of Prader-Willi syndrome? Shut up, take the time to look it up, then get down off your pedastals while you can still wear a thong to the beach, cuz someday, my dear friends, you'll discover there isn't enough fabric in the world to cover even YOUR skinny a**es!!!!
And by the way, mental illness IS a condition, not a character flaw. When all you blow-hards can show me proof that overcoming mental illness can be accomplished by sheer will alone, I'll alert the media on your behalf. -
Nerdgasm — 18 years ago(May 25, 2007 10:00 PM)
And by the way, mental illness IS a condition, not a character flaw. When all you blow-hards can show me proof that overcoming mental illness can be accomplished by sheer will alone, I'll alert the media on your behalf.
There was a man who taught himself how to differentiate between the hallucinations he heard daily due to his schizophrenia and what was real.
Check me out on Youtube
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americanbeauty82 — 20 years ago(April 24, 2005 11:18 PM)
Don't you even rip on Christopher Reeve. He was a hero. He was an amazing man. How the hell do you know that he didn't give 2 thoughts about disabled people before he became one? He could very well have been helping disabled people his whole life but never brought it to the forefront until he was harmed himself. He was an absolutely incredible man. An inspiration to so many people. How many people can say that about you?
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ddhix_2002 — 21 years ago(April 07, 2005 10:02 AM)
But morbid obesity is a desease. I think people need to realize that eating can be an addiction, just like alcohol and drugs.
This is a misleading statement.
I think you need to subscribe to
The American Journal of Psychology
,
The American Journal of Psychiatry
,
The Journal of the American Medical Association
,
Journal of the American Medical Informatics Association
,
The Journal of Medical Genetics
(especially that one), and
The Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics
.
If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't have made such a misleading statement. The news does not research upstanding (and highly respected) journal articles. They only report what they hear from some idiot who says it first (or whatever). Many of the journals I listed above (which are fine upstanding research journals, used by thousands of doctors, chemists, pharmacologists, authors, et cetera) have hoards of information that completely disproves the common belief that morbid obesity is a disease in every case. Most of the journal articles I have read cite information showing that only 2% of those who are morbidly obese are actually affected by some genetic disorder.
And you can't call choice a disease. If you choose to stuff your face, it is not a disease. There is a difference between cancer (which actually is a disease) and morbid obesity. You don't just blow up to 500lbs (a quarter-ton) unwillingly, it takes psychological effort.
Subscribe to one of the journals I listed, or at least cite some medical research (more specifically: genealogical research). And when I say "medical research," I don't mean some hotlink to some website making claims all over the place. Websites are not a reference. A reference looks like this:
Name of Research Article, by5b4 Name of Author, MD. American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol #, Month Day, Year, pp. 393-394 -
marienke — 21 years ago(April 07, 2005 01:09 PM)
Would you say an eating disorder is a disease? I think it is. It's some form of illness where you are not able to control your eating habbits. Now, have you ever heard of BED (Binge Eating Disorder)? That's the same as bulimia nervosa but without throwing up. It's an eating habbit that you can't control and often occurs as a symptone of another problem, for example low self asteem or depression. I don't think it's your own choice to be depressed or have low self asteem.
People that are overweight usually don't like it and I can assure you that people that weigh 500lbs are really unhappy with themselves and want to lose weight. They didn't chose to be like that. And being obese is not exactly accepted in the american (or any) society which makes things even harder.
You say that cancer is a disease (I agree). But what if you've been smoking for 25 years which causes you to get lungcancer. Are you allowed to say that you have a disease? Eventhough it has been your own choice to smoke everyday? Because that's what your saying.
You can overeat for 25 years which causses morbid obesity. Than it's extremely difficult to get healthy again, just like it is extremely difficult to get cured of cancer. Isn't that the same thing? I think it is.
Anyway, you might think disease is not the right word, fair enough. But the point I wanted and still want to make is that we should give people like Ms Cates a break. It's hard enough as it is for her. -
Cash-Dro — 20 years ago(April 13, 2005 09:50 AM)
I think it's awesome that she's in a movie. That must not have been easy for her
Like stuffing her own head for years, this too was a choice of her own
Why would it then have to be so hard being in that movie??
Also.how is she a hero exactly?? Please tell me..
I aint gonna bash her for being humonguosly obese.But it's not like she's rushed five orphins out of a burning building or something..
Even if her "condition" was mental, does that make her a hero??
A psychotic (which is a mental condition) person kills a bunch of people, it's not exactly heroic status he/she will receive from the majority of the public is it??
I gotta admit that I haven't yet seen her performance in Gilbert Grape, but I really, really question that her performance in one theatrical movie and one Canadian made-for-TV film is supposed to give her heroic status..??!!
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marienke — 20 years ago(April 14, 2005 01:59 PM)
I'll repeat what I said earlier:
No I don't think she's a hero. Personally I think Gandhi and Mandela are heroes because they did extraordinary things. That's my opinion. Everybody has other people they think are heroes. That's not the point I want to make. -
ddhix_2002 — 20 years ago(April 15, 2005 08:45 AM)
Would you say an eating disorder is a disease? I think it is. It's some form of illness where you are not able to control your eating habbits. Now, have you ever heard of BED (Binge Eating Disorder)? That's the same as bulimia nervosa but without throwing up. It's an eating habbit that you can't control and often occurs as a symptone of another problem, for example low self asteem or depression.
You should really try and take a step back from someone who has an entire bookshelf of the journals I listed in the previous post, especially when you are trying to use the 'do you238 know what bulimia is?' attack. Your hidden assumptions are quite offensive to the massive amounts of research I do on a daily basis.
I think you are afflicted with an eating disorder. Nothing personal. I deal with people who have eating disorders virtually every day. I'll bet you post on "TF." Maybe you've met one of my very good friends, Miirage. Point is, you show enough basic knowledge in eating disorders (and their names) to convince me that you are a part of the group (a group which I know exceedingly well).
Now, to answer your5b4 question: "Would you say an eating disorder is a disease." I refer you to both
The Journal of Medical Genetics
and
The American Journal of Psychology
(have you ever even read a medical journal?). The answer is "Yes," and "No." It depends on the person. The fact is that everyday ordinary people who have no problems whatsoever (and no genetic problems; meaning a genetic history of mental disorders) can fall ill to eating disorders. How? It all depends. I have met some who have felt it ever since they were seven years of age, I have met some who accidentally became anorexic/bulimic while trying to do an extreme diet, I have met some who are abused as children, and pick anorexia/bulimia as their 'vent.' The cause is varying. The fact is, the percentage of people who are afflicted with eating disorders as an actual genetic disease is lower than 20%. I have met a few people with eating disorders that fall under this 20%, and I must say; you will never be able to help a person with a true eating disorder (true meaning: Genetically passed down as a completely unpreventable chemical imbalance).
I don't think it's your own choice to be depressed or have low self asteem.
Where's your backup?
The fact is that it all varies from person to person. Some people do make the choice to have a low self ESTEEM, and to be depressed. Alot of people don't. b68Some people have a seritonin imbalance which was just given to them as a death sentence at birth. Some people have lives that are so sparkling perfect that they actually get bored and begin finding ways to be 'depressed.' At first it will start out as a phase, but if it is taken too far, it can turn into an actual depression. Thinking alters your brain chemistry, and can cause chemical imbalances. Improper thinking can lead to depression.
The American Journal of Psychiatry
goes over this time & time again. I suggest you subscribe.
People that are overweight usually don't like it and I can assure you that people that weigh 500lbs are really unhappy with themselves and want to lose weight. They didn't chose to be like that. And being obese is not exactly accepted in the american (or any) society which makes things even harder.
You have obviously never heard of a group of people (opposite of anorexics) called "Feeders." If you knew what a 'feedee' was, then you would never have made this completely unresearched statement. Feeders are a group of people the exact opposite of anorexics who actually find 'sexiness' and 'pleasure' in eating and being fat. It is one of the most bizaar mental disorders I have seen, and it is much more common than you would think. It is not just people getting fat and wishing they weren't; it's people eating with the absolute intent of getting fat so that they can feel sexy.
So again (how many times am I going to have to say this?), it all varies from person to person. You cannot diagnose the entire world with 'they didn't choose that.'
About being accepted. That's an entirely different case all together. Of coruse they aren't accepted.
You say that cancer is a disease (I agree). But what if you've been smoking for 25 years which causes you to get lungcancer. Are you allowed to say that you have a disease? Eventhough it has been your own choice to smoke everyday? Because that's what your saying.
Smoking is not a disease. Cancer is a disease, since it can take a victim that is a non-smoker. So is smoking mixed with cancer a disease. Half yes and Half no. That is what you call a "Loaded Question." There is no possible way to argue it logically either way, so what was the point of asking that? That's not what I was saying.
You can overeat for 25 years which causses morbid obesity. Than it's extremely difficult to get healthy again, just like it is extremely difficult to get cured of cancer. Isn't that the same thing? I think it is.
It's the same thing