This is one amazing woman!
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Nerdgasm — 18 years ago(May 25, 2007 10:00 PM)
And by the way, mental illness IS a condition, not a character flaw. When all you blow-hards can show me proof that overcoming mental illness can be accomplished by sheer will alone, I'll alert the media on your behalf.
There was a man who taught himself how to differentiate between the hallucinations he heard daily due to his schizophrenia and what was real.
Check me out on Youtube
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americanbeauty82 — 20 years ago(April 24, 2005 11:18 PM)
Don't you even rip on Christopher Reeve. He was a hero. He was an amazing man. How the hell do you know that he didn't give 2 thoughts about disabled people before he became one? He could very well have been helping disabled people his whole life but never brought it to the forefront until he was harmed himself. He was an absolutely incredible man. An inspiration to so many people. How many people can say that about you?
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ddhix_2002 — 21 years ago(April 07, 2005 10:02 AM)
But morbid obesity is a desease. I think people need to realize that eating can be an addiction, just like alcohol and drugs.
This is a misleading statement.
I think you need to subscribe to
The American Journal of Psychology
,
The American Journal of Psychiatry
,
The Journal of the American Medical Association
,
Journal of the American Medical Informatics Association
,
The Journal of Medical Genetics
(especially that one), and
The Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics
.
If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't have made such a misleading statement. The news does not research upstanding (and highly respected) journal articles. They only report what they hear from some idiot who says it first (or whatever). Many of the journals I listed above (which are fine upstanding research journals, used by thousands of doctors, chemists, pharmacologists, authors, et cetera) have hoards of information that completely disproves the common belief that morbid obesity is a disease in every case. Most of the journal articles I have read cite information showing that only 2% of those who are morbidly obese are actually affected by some genetic disorder.
And you can't call choice a disease. If you choose to stuff your face, it is not a disease. There is a difference between cancer (which actually is a disease) and morbid obesity. You don't just blow up to 500lbs (a quarter-ton) unwillingly, it takes psychological effort.
Subscribe to one of the journals I listed, or at least cite some medical research (more specifically: genealogical research). And when I say "medical research," I don't mean some hotlink to some website making claims all over the place. Websites are not a reference. A reference looks like this:
Name of Research Article, by5b4 Name of Author, MD. American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol #, Month Day, Year, pp. 393-394 -
marienke — 21 years ago(April 07, 2005 01:09 PM)
Would you say an eating disorder is a disease? I think it is. It's some form of illness where you are not able to control your eating habbits. Now, have you ever heard of BED (Binge Eating Disorder)? That's the same as bulimia nervosa but without throwing up. It's an eating habbit that you can't control and often occurs as a symptone of another problem, for example low self asteem or depression. I don't think it's your own choice to be depressed or have low self asteem.
People that are overweight usually don't like it and I can assure you that people that weigh 500lbs are really unhappy with themselves and want to lose weight. They didn't chose to be like that. And being obese is not exactly accepted in the american (or any) society which makes things even harder.
You say that cancer is a disease (I agree). But what if you've been smoking for 25 years which causes you to get lungcancer. Are you allowed to say that you have a disease? Eventhough it has been your own choice to smoke everyday? Because that's what your saying.
You can overeat for 25 years which causses morbid obesity. Than it's extremely difficult to get healthy again, just like it is extremely difficult to get cured of cancer. Isn't that the same thing? I think it is.
Anyway, you might think disease is not the right word, fair enough. But the point I wanted and still want to make is that we should give people like Ms Cates a break. It's hard enough as it is for her. -
Cash-Dro — 20 years ago(April 13, 2005 09:50 AM)
I think it's awesome that she's in a movie. That must not have been easy for her
Like stuffing her own head for years, this too was a choice of her own
Why would it then have to be so hard being in that movie??
Also.how is she a hero exactly?? Please tell me..
I aint gonna bash her for being humonguosly obese.But it's not like she's rushed five orphins out of a burning building or something..
Even if her "condition" was mental, does that make her a hero??
A psychotic (which is a mental condition) person kills a bunch of people, it's not exactly heroic status he/she will receive from the majority of the public is it??
I gotta admit that I haven't yet seen her performance in Gilbert Grape, but I really, really question that her performance in one theatrical movie and one Canadian made-for-TV film is supposed to give her heroic status..??!!
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marienke — 20 years ago(April 14, 2005 01:59 PM)
I'll repeat what I said earlier:
No I don't think she's a hero. Personally I think Gandhi and Mandela are heroes because they did extraordinary things. That's my opinion. Everybody has other people they think are heroes. That's not the point I want to make. -
ddhix_2002 — 20 years ago(April 15, 2005 08:45 AM)
Would you say an eating disorder is a disease? I think it is. It's some form of illness where you are not able to control your eating habbits. Now, have you ever heard of BED (Binge Eating Disorder)? That's the same as bulimia nervosa but without throwing up. It's an eating habbit that you can't control and often occurs as a symptone of another problem, for example low self asteem or depression.
You should really try and take a step back from someone who has an entire bookshelf of the journals I listed in the previous post, especially when you are trying to use the 'do you238 know what bulimia is?' attack. Your hidden assumptions are quite offensive to the massive amounts of research I do on a daily basis.
I think you are afflicted with an eating disorder. Nothing personal. I deal with people who have eating disorders virtually every day. I'll bet you post on "TF." Maybe you've met one of my very good friends, Miirage. Point is, you show enough basic knowledge in eating disorders (and their names) to convince me that you are a part of the group (a group which I know exceedingly well).
Now, to answer your5b4 question: "Would you say an eating disorder is a disease." I refer you to both
The Journal of Medical Genetics
and
The American Journal of Psychology
(have you ever even read a medical journal?). The answer is "Yes," and "No." It depends on the person. The fact is that everyday ordinary people who have no problems whatsoever (and no genetic problems; meaning a genetic history of mental disorders) can fall ill to eating disorders. How? It all depends. I have met some who have felt it ever since they were seven years of age, I have met some who accidentally became anorexic/bulimic while trying to do an extreme diet, I have met some who are abused as children, and pick anorexia/bulimia as their 'vent.' The cause is varying. The fact is, the percentage of people who are afflicted with eating disorders as an actual genetic disease is lower than 20%. I have met a few people with eating disorders that fall under this 20%, and I must say; you will never be able to help a person with a true eating disorder (true meaning: Genetically passed down as a completely unpreventable chemical imbalance).
I don't think it's your own choice to be depressed or have low self asteem.
Where's your backup?
The fact is that it all varies from person to person. Some people do make the choice to have a low self ESTEEM, and to be depressed. Alot of people don't. b68Some people have a seritonin imbalance which was just given to them as a death sentence at birth. Some people have lives that are so sparkling perfect that they actually get bored and begin finding ways to be 'depressed.' At first it will start out as a phase, but if it is taken too far, it can turn into an actual depression. Thinking alters your brain chemistry, and can cause chemical imbalances. Improper thinking can lead to depression.
The American Journal of Psychiatry
goes over this time & time again. I suggest you subscribe.
People that are overweight usually don't like it and I can assure you that people that weigh 500lbs are really unhappy with themselves and want to lose weight. They didn't chose to be like that. And being obese is not exactly accepted in the american (or any) society which makes things even harder.
You have obviously never heard of a group of people (opposite of anorexics) called "Feeders." If you knew what a 'feedee' was, then you would never have made this completely unresearched statement. Feeders are a group of people the exact opposite of anorexics who actually find 'sexiness' and 'pleasure' in eating and being fat. It is one of the most bizaar mental disorders I have seen, and it is much more common than you would think. It is not just people getting fat and wishing they weren't; it's people eating with the absolute intent of getting fat so that they can feel sexy.
So again (how many times am I going to have to say this?), it all varies from person to person. You cannot diagnose the entire world with 'they didn't choose that.'
About being accepted. That's an entirely different case all together. Of coruse they aren't accepted.
You say that cancer is a disease (I agree). But what if you've been smoking for 25 years which causes you to get lungcancer. Are you allowed to say that you have a disease? Eventhough it has been your own choice to smoke everyday? Because that's what your saying.
Smoking is not a disease. Cancer is a disease, since it can take a victim that is a non-smoker. So is smoking mixed with cancer a disease. Half yes and Half no. That is what you call a "Loaded Question." There is no possible way to argue it logically either way, so what was the point of asking that? That's not what I was saying.
You can overeat for 25 years which causses morbid obesity. Than it's extremely difficult to get healthy again, just like it is extremely difficult to get cured of cancer. Isn't that the same thing? I think it is.
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marienke — 20 years ago(April 17, 2005 02:43 PM)
I can see you know a lot about this subject and you've studied it quite a lot. But I think we both look at this from a different point of view. You see only the side that you read about in all your magazines (to which I won't get a subscrition, simply because I'm actually not american and rather read something in my own lanquage, eventhough I'm sure they're interesting).
I look at it from another side, I use the opinion I formed myself throughout the years after talking to way too many specialist and reading a lot about it (yes, I sort of have had eating 'issues' all my life). So, we can go on about this forever but I don't think we'll ever agree. You might feel different when you've experienced an eating disorder yourself (I hope ofcourse you'll never have to).
I'll bet you post on "TF." Maybe you've met one of my very good friends, Miirage. Point is, you show enough basic knowledge in eating disorders (and their names) to convince me that you are a part of the group (a group which I know exceedingly well).
Nope you're wrong there, I've actually never heard of 'TF'
Anyway, I'm happy you at least agree with the point I've been trying to make all this time. Stop judging and give people that are/look different, like Darlene Cates, a break! -
ddhix_2002 — 20 years ago(April 19, 2005 01:07 PM)
I can see you know a lot about this subject and you've studied it quite a lot.
That is an understatement.
But I think we both look at this from a different point of view.
That is only too obvious. Did it have to be stated?
You see only the side that you read about in all your magazines (to which I won't get a subscrition, simply because I'm actually not american and rather read something in my own lanquage, eventhough I'm sure they're interesting).
No, I do not only see the side that I read about. This is a very lowly attack on your part. It's really sad that you have so little backup that you have to use the 'book smart vs. street smart' argument; which holds absolutely no water in this case. Especially considering the fact that I have dedicated too much of my time toward helping those with eating disorders (using very different methods than what is considered the 'average way' to help).
Do you even know what a Medical Journal is? Obviously not. They are not "magazines." They are journals written for scientists, doctors, psychologist, psychiatrist, so on and so forth. A subscription to your average 'magazine' is going to cost about $25 for one year. A subscription to just one year of a fine upstanding
journal
is going to cost you upwards da0of $200 a year.
Since you obviously have no clue whatsoever as to what a medical journal is; I will enlighten you to one thing about countries: America is not the only country to have journals for doctors, psychologists, etc. Whatever country you are in, there is most definitely going to be a journal specified for your country.
They are more that 'interesting,' they are beyond University Level Textbooks. No magazine has the upstanding professional respect that the journals have. Some journals (like The Journal of Organic Chemistry) have been around since the 1800s (The Journal of Organic Chemistry is in it's Volume 70s right now).
You really should think about some education on the aspect of general professionalism before making such uneducated statements.
I look at it from another side, I use the opinion I formed myself throughout the years after talking to way too many specialist and reading a lot about it (yes, I sort of have had eating 'issues' all my life).
Your opinions are highly uninformed. If you would spend less time listening to what other people say, and more time studying, then maybe you would have a more educated opinion in the subject matter.
In basic psychology, we have many young females who are pencil-thin who come to class. 95% of them soon fail the course. Why? Because they are anorexics who think that just because they are afflicted with mental issues, they are an authority in the subject of psychology. Bad news: Just because you've spent time in the psychiatrist's office, does not make you any sort of authority on the subject; it makes your psychiatrist an authority on the subject. Your opinions are founded on your own emotions, and not through real education. The day you subscribe to a journal of psychology is the day that you have a
real
upstanding opinion in the subject.
I look at it from the better side. I use the opinions I formed myself throughout the years of hard researching (reading more about it than you, I'm sure), and talking with those with eating disorders.
So, we can go on about this forever but I don't think we'll ever agree.
I usually do not agree with people who have not done their research. Moreover, I never agree with people who do not know what they are talking about.
You might feel different when you've experienced an eating disorder yourself (I hope ofcourse you'll never have to).
Just because I am without personal experience in the subject does not make me disconnected from your little world. Get off your high-horse; you're not special for having an eating disorder, and you do not have more information because of it, either. Your opinions are emotionally founded, and are without
real
research. This is yet another example of a lowly attack on your part on the 'book smarts vs. street smarts' level. If you had education in the subject, you would have never even suggested towards such a low level attack.
Nope you're wrong there, I've actually never heard of 'TF'
That's why it's called a "bet." My 'bet' (which is the word I used) indicated in simple English that I was making an wide-generalization. Did you feel like you were gaining an upper-hand by showing that my betting on a generalization was wrong? Sorry, 5b4bets do not work that way. Instead of commenting on anything technical, you decided to find the only thing I was wrong about; which was almost completely a non-issue for this debate. This is too obviously an indication that your arguments hold no water.
Where are the arguments?
Anyway, I'm happy you at least agree with the point I've been trying to make all this time. Stop judging and give people that are/look different, like Darlene Cates, a break! [
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Hey_Losechester — 20 years ago(April 21, 2005 08:19 PM)
I can see you know a lot about this subject and you've studied it quite a lot.
That is an understatement.
But I think we both look at this from a different point of view.
That is only too obvious. Did it have to be stated?You wanna know what ddhix_2002, you are so full of yourself . . . you arm yourself with your 'book smarts" and attack people, with more common sense then you have I might add, because it must make you feel better about yourself . . . you just like being plain old rude don't you? I mean . . . how pathetic do you have to be to say things like what you said above? COME ON . . . do you honestly think you are being clever . . . that people are going to look at the way you are treating this person, and think, "wow this person really knows what they are talking about!" Let me let you in on something . . . it doesn't matter how "smart" you are . . . if you can't use it with respect and good judgment . . . it's a waste on you . . . I feel sorry for you . . .I really do . . . -
ddhix_2002 — 20 years ago(April 21, 2005 08:47 PM)
Well I'm sorry that if over the years of dealing with absolute morons such as yourself I have gained a disinterest in other people's stupidity, and an absolute disregard for other people's special little feelings.
No, I do not have a regard for someone's special little feelings (including yours). I honestly think I am being a jerk, and I could care less what the feeling-police (such as yourself) think about it.
I lost my respect for idiocy quite a few years ago. My judgement is fine.
you arm yourself with your 'book smarts" and attack people
That I do. It's better than arming myself with stupidity and attacking people, now isn't it?
you just like being plain old rude don't you?
Very much so. It suits my personality perfectly.
You wanna know what ddhix_2002, you are so full of yourself
That I am, and with just cause; I am higher on the foodchain than you.
how pathetic do you have to be to say things like what you said above?
Well I guess that depends on your own moral values, now doesn't it?
I feel sorry for you . . .I really do . . .
I'm so hurt, I'm having a pitty-party. -
Hey_Losechester — 20 years ago(April 21, 2005 09:07 PM)
hmmm . . . wow . . it took you less then an hour to reply . . . I know people like you, you like to post rude things . . . then you obsessively come back and check and check and check to see if anyone has responded to your bate . . . do you really have nothing better to do with your time?? Why don't you go read one of your "magazines" . . . don't bother replying to this . . cause I guarantee I won't be back to read what you have to say . . . I don't take interests in what "idiots" have to say either . . .
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ddhix_2002 — 20 years ago(April 21, 2005 09:44 PM)
Against your ill-conceived advice, I am replying.
it took you less then an hour to reply . . . I know people like you, you like to post rude things . . . then you obsessively come back and check and check and check to see if anyone has responded to your bate
Yes, it took me less than an hour to reply. What a nice little attack. I can say the exact same about you and your timing. Hypocrite.
Yes, I like to post rude things when they are deserved by mentally incapable people such as yourself.
You responded to my
BAIT
, didn't you? Refer to the bottom of this post.
Why don't you go read one of your "magazines"
Actually, I
was
reading
The Journal of Organic Chemistry, Vol. 70, No. 1, pp. 330
until I saw your mentally incompetent post.
do you really have nothing better to do with your time??
What about you? Do you have anything better to do with your time other than dealing with morally repugnant people such as myself? Your attacks are extraordinarily hypocritical. You should re-think your own actions before making an attack towards someone who is doing
essentially
the same thing as you are; replying to a post.
don't bother replying to this . . cause I guarantee I won't be back to read what you have to say
You're reading it right now.
I don't take interests in what "idiots" have to say either
Then why are you reading this?
By the way, you should take a que from The Blue Book of Grammar. Your spelling mistakes indicate that you were asleep through all of High School.
www.grammarbook.com