the two F@#$ing hospitals should be sued…
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UFmike1983 — 21 years ago(March 11, 2005 01:49 PM)
Just because pneumonia is diagnosed, doesn't mean that it is completely treatable. There are many reasons why someones immune system isn't strong enough to fight a bacterial infection such as pneumonia, and once it progresses to a certain point, it isn't treatable. No body here knew her exact medical condition, so stop speculating.
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brandon_harwell — 20 years ago(June 01, 2005 03:18 PM)
You're so full of beep it ain't even funny. Our doctors know nothing compared to Canada's. I should know because I am one such person who went there for treatment because doctors in this country are incompetent. The waiting list crap for the most part is a myth. I've talked to Canadians many times and very few have complaints. When I went for my heart surgery, I got in within a month (it wasn't "right now emergency" surgery and therefore I didn't get top priority, which is fine by me seeing as I still without priority got in within a month). In fact, I've had several unacceptable waiting times in AMERICAN hospitals. America goes by first come first serve unless they're bleeding out; Canada seems to go more on priority, sickest first. So don't bash Canada's system when you don't know jack beep about it.
America's medical field is way behind the rest of the advanced countries, one because we let people slide through school, two because there is so little a5b4ccountability, three because of HMOs, and four because of this ignorant freaking President Bush who wants to cut off pretty much all the punishments doctors get for screwing up badly. -
bombthedayaway — 20 years ago(August 24, 2005 05:06 PM)
You know, I really wish people would stop calling doctors stupid. It really ticks me off that someone bashes a doctor with information they have no idea about. People are always complaining about the losses, well what about the people they do SAVE. You never hear about that. I don't think doctors would really want to just totally blow off a person. Have you seen the malpractice insurance rates? Holy crap you think they make so much money when half of it goes to save their butts when they make "mistakes".(I want to be an OB/GYN they have way more lawsuits than most doctors) Face it guys, people die, it's an everyday thing and everyone on this earth will die. Whether it be by a freak accident of a penny dropping from the Empire State building or dying from cancer.
If you guys are so much better than doctors, why don't go out and help people who seem to have a common cold eh?
p.s-Don't think I don't have "experience" with near death and death situations. My brother, father, mother, and many more of my family members were saved by those "stupid doctors"
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Shan-12 — 20 years ago(September 02, 2005 06:18 AM)
I'm a doctor and it's impossible to say without more facts as to what happened but - if she's as sick as it sounds when she went to a hospital, along with respiratory symptoms - well she should have at least had a physical examination. This should have included listening to her chest with a stethescope. If the pneumonia was as widespread and extensive as it has been described (I'm thinking it must have been because it lead to her death), it would have made sounds been very obvious to anyone to heard it through a stethescope, doctor or not. (Doctors of course would then know how to interpret the finding).
That should have lead to an Xray which should have shown very obvious pneumonia and then she should have been started on intravenous antibiotics straight away. No guarantees but if this had been done at the very first visit to the first hospital - her chances would have been much better.
Like I said, there's no absolute guarantees and it's impossible to say without all the facts but - the description of events sounds like the first two hospitals didn't even listen to her chest because if the reports were accurate that they sent her home just with paracetamol and even basic examination we learn in medical school all the world over would have lead to further basic steps which I'm sure probably would have at least gotten a diagnosis.
If the pneumonia had been as extensive as described (once again I think so because she died) - you would have heard sounds (the medical term is crepitations) which will make you at least suspicious enough to order an X-ray - and that would have been very obvious and antibiotics should have followed soon after. I've seen several cases of much less severe cases where the chain of events was what I described and we found and treated it.
Of course I would be interested to find out more facts about the case before I could say what happened and should have happened with certainty but it was a tragic event nevertheless. -
brandon_harwell — 21 years ago(March 12, 2005 11:42 AM)
The point is PNEUMONIA IS NOT SOMETHING YOUNG PEOPLE COMMONLY DIE FROM. It's not a "commonly fatal disease" like cancer or AIDS. Until something comes out saying she either had surgery or a serious pre-existing condition, we can safely assume there weren't any. People who knew her vouched for her health even a week before she died, and unless again there is proof to the contrary, we can safely believe them. They have no reason to lie.
The crap you spout is an insult to clear-thinking people everywhere. The facts don't lie, though. Otherwise healthy young people rarely if ever die from pneumonia. Unless the doctors are incompetent and don't catch it. I know damn well how stupid doctors can be because when my grandfather had a stroke they diagnosed him with a freaking ear infection! I'm a better doctor than that! I've had a hundred ear infections in my time and the symptoms weren't even close. All the same pneumonia is EASY TO DIAGNOSE. The doctors were simply lazy and didn't care.
Not only should they be sued for every penny they need to be behind bars for this. This is what is commonly called groos negligence. It's akin to drinking and driving and killing someone and should be punished all the same.
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jumpyshoe — 21 years ago(March 13, 2005 02:36 PM)
"Young people don't die this way in this country"? Where did this perceived invincibility come from? People die from unknown causes at any given time. I guess you're too hung up on finding someone to lynch than to stop and think that MAYBE she was just on the short end of the fate-stick. Not all unfortunate events are due to "groos" negligence; do you immediately assume that it was the firefighters' fault because they failed to rescue someone from a burning building? The life-saving community is dwindling because of the constant attacks of people with your line of thinking; every year, there are fewer and fewer health care providers, due to more and more legal tape and lawsuits.
"Otherwise healthy young people rarely if ever die from pneumonia."
Sowhat's stopping her from being in that small margin that DO die from pneumonia?
Even if, in that worse case scenario, every one of the health care providers at the three hospitals were "simply lazy and [don't] care", do you really think that warrants the crucifixion of those doctors? If doctors didn't care about who they were treating, they wouldn't have sacrificed at least 8 years of their youth to become physicians. Doctors make mistakes, and, like most people, they learn from them.
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WILSON702 — 21 years ago(March 11, 2005 06:39 PM)
i looked this information up on the internet - sepsis is caused by a number of things
Who is at risk for sepsis?
Severe sepsis affects people OF ALL AGES, whether they are HEALTHY OR CHRONICALLY ILL. But certain patients are predisposed to developing severe sepsis. Screening these at-risk patients is highly recommended to diagnose and treat the condition early.
Patients at risk of developing severe sepsis
Screening of the following at-risk patient types receiving anti-infective therapy and organ support can aid in early diagnosis of severe sepsis:
All critically ill patients
Severe CAP (community-acquired PNEUMONIA)
Intra-abdominal surgery
Meningitis
Chronic diseases (diabetes, heart failure, chronic renal failure, and COPD)
Compromised immune status (HIV/AIDS, use of cytotoxic and immunosuppressive agents, malignant neoplasms, and alcoholism)
Cellulitis
Urinary tract infection
800,000 SINCE 2001 HAVE DIED FROM SEPSIS - I GUESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS - MAYBE IF THE DOCTORS WOULD HAVE GIVEN HER SOMETHING IT WOULD HAVE HELPED BUT MAYBE NOT -