This is *such* a horrible story!! It is unfathomable to me that such a young and otherwise healthy woman could die of P
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cisned — 18 years ago(August 18, 2007 09:17 PM)
I can't stand here and just ignore you're replies, I think that if you go anywhere in an industrialized nation, they would of given her antibiotics and possible cure her. It happened to me that they just perform oral surgery and they refuse to give me antibiotics because they thought i wasn't going to get an infection, at the end i ended up with an infection. Americans seemed to be afraid to give antibiotics because they think that the bacteria would become immune to it, but one way or the other every organism evolves and if we can't find any new antibiotics than we are really behind research because there has to be new organism that kill others, without that, there wouldn't be balance. Anyway you look it, Americans are still losing a lot of lives b/c they refuse to proscribe antibiotics willingly, but slowing the time that the bacteria might become immune to it, while anywhere in Europe they are willingly giving antibiotics, increasing the immunization. So one way or the other when there is a new bacteria in Europe its highly possible that an American might become infected too, so all of the americans hard work becomes useless. We need to keep up with the bacteria if we are ever to survive a deadly disease.
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HubertFarnsworth — 18 years ago(August 20, 2007 08:25 PM)
I can't stand here and just ignore you're replies, I think that if you go anywhere in an industrialized nation, they would of given her antibiotics and possible cure her.
But you have to figure out which antibiotics need to be used. You need to figure out what is wrong, what is causing the symptoms. Different organisms react differently to different antibiotics. Some are resistant, while others are susceptible. It's very complicated. It's not just this simple thing and hand out any form of antibiotic and all will be taken care of. Why give an antibiotic when you don't even know what is causing the sickness?? That's like throwing a box of any pills and say, here take them and youll be fine.
You make healthcare sound so easy, but being doctor isn't so easy, and there are many many illnesses that exist and that can be easily confused. Doctors are human, and humans are not infallible. -
HubertFarnsworth — 18 years ago(August 21, 2007 12:30 PM)
Amber - you made some serious comments that would indicate that you must be a doctor to know. If you had prefaced it with the information you just revealed, then your comments would have meant something. Laypeople come here all the time making rash statements without any backup. Why would we assume that those statements were backed by any credibility.
Well, they still mean something. Do you need my credentials?
Here you go:
I am a medical technologist that is ASCP and NCA certified. I serve as the microbiology supervisor at a hospital in northeastern Minnesota. Well, my real title would be MT - ASCP, NCA
You are hostile as well honey.
ma'am/sir, I respond in kind when I'm treated as such. You really didn't need to bite my head off for replying to your post instead of someone else's. It's a mistake, so don't act like it's the world's worst thing. And on top of it, you are now being extremely patronizing.
I only wanted those who were just blaming doctors to realize that there were more than one reason for a difficult diagnosis and treatment. I wish when you made your statements that you backed it up with your credible proof. Next time you will know better, I hope. Your reception and belief will be improved.
I'm looking at your statements in this thread, and I don't see a shred of proof from you. Does this standard you set only apply to everyone but you?
I agree with you that people are being unfair to the doctors, I'll go that far. My issue is with you ream me forb68 things that you yourself are guilty of doing.
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merr says
If you doubt me - google Pneumonia and see what you find.
Now, you have no business making these GRANDIOUS statements without any facts. Read the post I made to Dark-Spidey. If Nicole's pneumonia was viral, no amount of antibiotics would have cured her. You are NOT a doctor. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.
Get a grip man. Do some research. The US isn't the only place that doesn't prescribe antibiotics unless necessary. They will not help a virus. They are not anti-virals. The more you prescribe antibiotics for disease that they cannot cure, the less likely that when necessary you will be able to find anything to cure a bacterial disease in the future for that same patient.
I've looked through your post history and you've not once given your own credentials and make pretty grandiose statements yourself and that a layperson could misread and take as fact. How would they know you are telling the truth? Because you say so and tell them to google?
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HubertFarnsworth — 18 years ago(August 21, 2007 12:50 PM)
First of all Amber, you clicked on REPLY on my message and I told you that because the person who you were "talking" to would never get your message.
People make mistakes, let it go. You could've just said what you said right now, and I would've said oops, sorry without feeling completely attacked. Your first response was incredibly aggressive.
I had given my experiences with pneumonia and how it hides as other ai111clments. I also suggested researching on Google, because there are floods of information on anything you desire to find out about.
Are you a healthcare professional? Again, you give a statement on something that happened, and what a disease is like with no proof, I do the same, and yet you take my head off.
Get off your high horse and put yourself in other's places. Would you listen to a total stranger who professes to know something but doesn't give any explanation of proof? I thought not.
MY high horse? Are you for real? Ma'am/sir, if I get down from where I'm at, I'll have to break my neck to look up to you.
I was upset that people were coming here condemning doctors because this poor woman was "mis-diagnosed" and wanted to set the record straight. With all of the information available online these days, it confuses me how people are so ignorant, but yet they know how to type, spell, and rave, but cannot use their knowledge to seek information that would help them understand.
That's totally true, yet you still continue to come at me for things you are doing yourself.
ETA: I just realized that I am just repeating myself in every quote. lol. I don't know what more to say and how to say it any more plainly. Because we agree on the topic at hand. That doctors are being harshly judged. My issue was how you talk to people. Don't think that'll change any time soon. Take care, merr. You know it all.
if anyone wants to ask me some questions about this sort of thing (seeing as I've given out my credentials), go ahead and send me a message. I'll be happy to answer. -
cisned — 18 years ago(September 06, 2007 02:02 PM)
WOW, it seems that you took this pretty personal. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but you are a hypocrite. You spoiled insolent brat calling me names, first of all i did not insult anybody, and second of all if you are telling me to provide facts, well why don't you do the same. When you said that America its not the only place that they prescribed antibiotics, unless is NECESSARY, well Einstein please tell me which other country don't prescribe antibiotics unless there are bacterial colonies showing in the pores of you skin. Before you start yapping again, let me clarify that by necessary i mean when you know a risk of infection is plausible, and when there IS doubt, for ex. pneumonia, might be bacterial. I see that you posted ""IF" Nicole's pneumonia". You just admitted that her pneumonia is bacterial, so your contended that they did not proscribed antibiotics because it wasn't necessary, even when her life was in danger. Now penicillin, unless someone is allergic its an average drug that prevents any bacterial growth, you may need to be more selective on the drug your going to give her, but this beauty can PREVENT, or slow down any infection. That time could of given doctors (competent of course) enough time to clarify what type of bacteria it was. Now i've lived in 3 diff. countries, and only one has ever refused to give me antibiotics WHEN THERE WAS A RISK OF INFECTION, my mom was even suprised (she is a certified pharmacist, and was a nurse)that they would refuse to prevent an infection even when the odds are against them. And if you want to see facts, please watch what rank your health care system is on, mine is second (Italy), France its first (ironic). If you want more facts about your health care system please watch sicko, you will find a general idea of how far behind you guys are.