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gargoyle888 — 20 years ago(March 20, 2006 10:13 AM)
"And please stop with the 'that's how it was in those days' argument. It's pathetic. "
First, this topic has been covered elsewhere:
http://www.imdb.com/board/20400652/board/thread/24794233
Second, We are all the product of our time. What you believe to be moral and just today is only valid today. It is not moral and just for all time and in all places.
Hughes, like all men, believed in the morality of his time. That was a time when racism was acceptable here in the United States.
Consider: Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus in 1955. For that refusal she was arrested, charged with violation of segregation laws, convicted and fined in a court of law. Clearly the law - and society - believed such segregation/racism to be moral and correct in Montgomery, AL in 1955.
Consider too that Hughes had been a recluse since 1950. His views after that time are just speculation. His views prior to that time would have been "politically correct" if he'd voiced the belief that blacks were inferior to whites.
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manofsteel4455 — 15 years ago(May 09, 2010 01:11 AM)
A more interesting question is what is there in today's society that will be found morally repulsive 50 years from now?
Not much because the morals will just keep on evolving for the better.
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essexb1 — 20 years ago(March 25, 2006 05:26 PM)
But really, that was how it was in those days. It's not a pathetic argument, you can't impose the beliefs we hold today to the beliefs they had back then. I'm sorry to say that black people were seen by many whites as second class citizens, a very dark and dispicable page in history but still a fact.
He was also born 40 years after the civil war ended and in the former "confederate" state of Texas. I would probably hazard a guess that some white folks down there, probably harboured a certain amount of resentment towards black people.
Growing up in that sort of environment, it's wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he did what was reported at the begining of this thread. That sort of attitude was common place amongst white people and probably not too frowned upon if the truth be known. -
Oz0927 — 20 years ago(March 27, 2006 07:44 AM)
Even if racist ideas were passed down to him by family it's still no excuse. There were people that broke the chain of bigotry back then and if he wasn't one of them then he was wrong to have those beliefs. If it is true then he is less of a person for hating black people. He is just like ghandi who also hated blacks. I don't care how much history they made they're douchebags in my big book of douchebags.
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Da_Playboi — 20 years ago(March 29, 2006 01:15 PM)
Race may not have been the reason at all why Howard didn't want to use the room. You gotta remember that he had OCD and suffered from a severe case of hypochondria in his seclusion years. While he was living in the shooting room he wanted only certain people to come into contact with him. So we don't know if the reason was because they were black.
"I am Jack's wasted life "
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paurushkuntal — 19 years ago(July 31, 2006 01:52 AM)
TO oZ0927.
FOR UR KIND INFORMATION GANDHI IN NO WAY HATED BLACKS ARE U A ILLITRATE OR WHAT GANDHI STARTED THE WAR AGAINST RACISM IN SOUTH AFRICA WITH AFRICANS AND INDIANS AND LATER IN INDIA FOR FREEDOM AND RACISM.FOR THAT I RESPECT HIM,U ARE A FOOL TO BELIVE THAT GANDHI HATED BLACK.
GANDHI ENDED THE CAST SYSTEM IN INDIA WHICH A\WAS WORST THAN RACISM AND U SAID HE HATED BLACK GET SOME KNOWLEDGE AS HALF KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS AND I AM REALLY SURPRISED FIRST LEARN THE HISTORY AND FACT THEN SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT
U HAVE FULL RIGHT TO EXPESS UR VIEW BUT SHOULD UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THE FACT ABOUT WHAT U TALK.
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EWhite-3 — 19 years ago(April 18, 2006 09:16 PM)
I don't know why he had an aversion to black people but it could most possibly be OCD. I have OCD and there was a time, not anymore, that I stayed away from a certain group of people. I did not hate those people and I had no prejudice against them whatsoever. Just being around those people would cause an unexplainable anxiety that was unbearable. OCD is a very complicated illness that is very hard to understand it if you don't have it. You don't pick the obsessions, the obsessions pick you.
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essexb1 — 19 years ago(April 21, 2006 04:34 PM)
Grimmchoices
You clearly have missed the point, did I not say in my post that White folk treating black folk the way they did back thb68en was a dark and dispicable act in history? To say I'm being racist is utter nonsense, please read the post again.
Given that the KKK came to prominance from the civil war and the subsequent abolition of slavery, did you not get the point that in the state of Texas, a former confederate state and where Hughes was born, that some white folk may of hated and blamed black people for the war? Is this wrong, of course it's bloody wrong, but then again so is segregation, but you still had that in your glorious USA.
You're quite correct, I do think slavery in any shape or form is wrong, do you think it is right then? I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to tell me here?
You said "There may be an excuse made for a grown person to share the misguided beliefs of their parents. However, for an adult to act on those beliefs is pathetic.". I don't think it would have been just his parents, but quite probably a large section of society that he mingled in were doing the same, and don't under-estimate the power of peer pressure, it makes the best of us do stupid things.
You say I'm a horrible person, you strike me as a very violent and disturbed person, with talk of stabbing Mexicans in the eyes, punching my lights out and rising up against the white race. I'm sorry but racism works both ways, for you to issue a "war cry" for black people to rise up against white people is a racist statement in it's self.
I get the feeling that you don't want equality among all men and women, you want black supremacy, and if you truly believe that one race should rise up and fight to be more dominant than the other, then you are just as racist as Howard Hughes was. -
Prettyponylover — 19 years ago(May 01, 2006 03:55 AM)
For gods sake why are there so many people carrying on about something that is in the past? God, maybe it was taboo for anyone back then to stand up and admit that they actually liked black people? Have u ever thought of that? We are all sheep in this world, we go with what everyone else says, and back then it was frowned upon in most places to like blacks. Today it is a hell of a lot more acceptable. The only problem is that you cant discuss anything about different races because you get accused of being 'racist', hence this big debate. Now Thats pathetic.
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victorialhawkins — 19 years ago(May 06, 2006 06:06 PM)
It is a little silly to be worried about Hughes believing in Black inferority since that was the respectable opinion foor people from his background in those days. The problem seems to be that he was FRIGHTENED of Black peopleas if they were cholera germs or syphilis or some other communicative disease. As Blacks started becoming more visible in the 50's and 60's most people adjusted to their presence regardless of thir eliefs but Hughes became even more afraid. I am not saying that that was his only or even most importnat phobiabut it contrbuted t his disintegration.
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victorialhawkins — 19 years ago(May 06, 2006 06:17 PM)
It is a little silly to be worried about Hughes believing in Black inferority since that was the respectable opinion for people from his background in those days. The problem seems to be that he was FRIGHTENED of Black peopleas if they were cholera germs or syphilis or some other communicative disease. As Blacks started becoming more visible in the 50's and 60's most people adjusted to their presence regardless of their beliefs but Hughes became even more afraid. I am not saying that that was his only or even most importnat phobiabut it contrbuted to his disintegration.
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grimmchoices — 19 years ago(May 03, 2006 10:28 PM)
essexb1,
I did go over the top in my last post, and I apologize. However, my point still stands. There is no excuse for someone's racist views, in spite of the fact that they grew up in a racist society. Poeple ought to be accountable at a certain age.
I'm not sure when I issued a "war cry." However, I do believe that black people should "rise up" against white people. They have every right to. And I hardly want black supremacy, as I'm white. I'm not for any kind of supremacy. It would be awesome if we could achieve equality.
Still, the only way for second-class citizens to achieve equality is to "rise up." And when I say "rise up" I mean making their voice heard, hopefully peacefully.
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photoseller — 19 years ago(August 08, 2006 11:17 PM)
My Uncle worked at Hughes tool in Houston from the late 1940s until he retired in the early 70s, and he worked with blacks at hughes, of course i don't think hughes gave a damn about that company other than it was a stepping stone to finance his many projects (most of his own companies made him much more money than the seed money did from his daddies hughes tool) if he was a racist, he did not apply it to his original company, but like i said maybe he just did not pay that much attention.
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whitewiz — 19 years ago(September 02, 2006 05:27 PM)
"Rise up against" white people? Why not "rise up and join"? Chances are there are far more white people allies in this argument than there are adversaries. Look at Dr Martin Luther King. He lifted the voice of his people without raising "against" anyone or anything but an idea.
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miserycounty — 14 years ago(December 16, 2011 09:23 PM)
Actually, the argument that racism was accepted in his time isn't pathetic. It's a sad sad truth but it IS a truth. He was born in 1905 in Texas when racism was terrible, and sadly broadly accepted by the general public. It's not an excuse it's truth. A sad sad truth. Maybe if he were alive today, and not engulfed in utter insanity, he would take responsibility but I guess we'll never know.
I find it funny that you demand that people takes responsibility for their actions when on every other posts you are being generally hateful and arrogant, especially towards Americans.