Acting since coming out
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MartenBroadcloak — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 05:44 AM)
Don't be naivePage and Cody are self proclaimed feminists and have stated so publicly.
That's really all I had to read to know where you're standing from. Because they're both "self proclaimed feminists" you view that as a threat. And neither of them are "anti-male" or even on the same level as Anita Sarkeesian for that matter so it's clear that simply being a feminist is a problem for you.
Paulie was portrayed as meek and completely controlled by Juno
Which was why he went out with another girl and Juno was jealous, right?
who had no choice or feelings on what legally was his child as much as Juno's
Did you miss the scene where she came over and told him what she wanted to do and if he was ok with? It was pretty clear neither of them wanted anything to do with raising the baby. The film was never about "a woman has more rights than a man".
The relationship between he and Juno might as well have been completely removed, he had nothing to contribute to the story and his character's personal feelings were ignored.
He wasn't that integral to the pregnancy part but he was still clearly important to Juno as a person and was the person who she realized that understood her and liked her for who she was. If the movie was "anti-male" (which again is your main hypothesis) he wouldn't have been there period after the opening scene or he would have been porb68trayed as being an antagonist to Juno.
Juno's dad is portrayed as this simple minded, kindly man whose life ambition was to be a refrigerator repairman, while Juno's mom is a business owner and is portrayed as strong and opinionated as shown in the scene where she berates the ultrasound tech about womanhood and child rearing. I will admit Juno and Dad share a couple of tender moments, which is something of a role reversal between him and his wife but he is Juno's bio-dad so I can understand Juno confiding more in him.
We're back to you viewing the film from a pre-set narrative again.
Both
characters ran small businesses. He wasn't any more 'simple-minded' than his wife was. There was never any indication that she wore the pants in the relationship and he was more than capable of speaking his mind and calling Juno out during the initial talk.
The real clincher is Mark; this is where Cody really starts throwing her bra away. He's clearly made out to be the bad guyit's hinted that his wife is the breadwinner and he just 'contributes', even though he apparently has talent in music and art and makes a good living. His wife is portrayed as assured, professional and having direction while Mark is a man-child who hasn't emotionally grown up.
Yep, "throwing her bra away". You're really transparent on your views towards feminism, aren't you? Mark was a fairly complex and sympathetic character even at the end, he wasn't the villain. If this was at all an "anti-male" movie they wouldn't have shown him bonding with Juno the way he did or they would have given him clearly sinister motives.
Cody tries to present this as a teenage "I am woman, hear me roar" vehicle when the truth is a completely different reality.
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JayHysterio — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 06:06 AM)
I have a problem with anyone who promotes an agenda under false pretenses, this was about Diablo Cody and her views towards menI stated that originally. And yes, I think feminism like any other 'ism' will promote their agendas at the expense of demeaning specific demographics. This is the case here.
Maybe you need to grow a pair yourself.
BtwPage is known for 3 things:
Juno
Coming out as gay
Gaycation
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MartenBroadcloak — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 06:39 AM)
That you think this film was promoting a secret "anti-male" agenda or that Cody herself is "anti-male" because she is a feminist is more proof of what I'm saying. I'm hardly oblivious to films that do push such a thing or even films that promote a "girl power hear me roar" message but Juno was neither. You clearly went into the film with your mind made up to the point that you had to twist things into fitting your narrative, your depiction of Juno's dad being the most blatant example.
And as stated before Ellen mainly does small independent films, Juno just happened to be one that blew up more than anyone anticipated. Her career as it is now in terms of output hasn't changed. -
JayHysterio — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 07:26 AM)
What "proof" are you talking about? I can just as easily say you twisted everything to fit your narrative you pompous celibate. The fact is both Page and Cody are feminists and this film doesn't surprise meI would EXPECT such a film with their involvement.
I made no pretense that I believe this is a feminist movie, you didn't prove anything. I reacted to what was presented, this was promoted as a teen pregnancy film and I didn't see that at all for the damn reasons I pointed out; that this isn't realityteen pregnancies do not take this path and don't have the happy ending this film shows, that's why it's such BS. It was merely a vehicle for Cody's feminist agenda.
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MartenBroadcloak — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 07:49 AM)
The burden of proof is on you to prove that the film has a feminist agenda. You pointed to for example Juno's dad as being simple-minded in comparison to his more opinionated wife when both characters ran their own small businesses and he was pretty tough on Juno. You said Paulie was submissive to Juno when he acted on his own accord and made Juno jealous. Etc.
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JayHysterio — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 08:52 AM)
You obviously can't think on your own and take everything that is put in front of you as being virtuous. That's not reality.
I don't have to prove anything. If you don't like my opinion then go away, start your own thread and spew your liberalism on there. -
MartenBroadcloak — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 09:19 AM)
You obviously can't think on your own and take everything that is put in front of you as being virtuous. That's not reality.
I just believe in drawing conclusions from available evidence as opposed to coming up with a conclusion first and trying to force the evidence to fit.
I don't have to prove anything.
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lrdcharlton — 9 years ago(September 23, 2016 08:49 AM)
I introduce you to Marten, a self righteous douche who patrols this bored attacking anyone who says anything critical of this walking agenda. He hardly produces any valid rebuttals and despite that he is always right and your always wrong.
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bakerstreetdozen — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 08:14 PM)
Jesus Christ, this board is full of beep children.
Feminists are not anti-male. Third-wave feminists, aka 'Tumblr feminists', are, but they're a small segment of the population and not an accurate picture of what it is they claim to represent.
Page has acted in plenty of things since
Juno
. You may not have heard of them or seen them, but many of her performances have received acclaim.
Being gay has absolutely nothing to do with a person's appearance or what they choose to wear. If you believe this, it just shows how much societal and gender norms have impacted you as an individual.
Have a lovely evening.
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lrdcharlton — 9 years ago(September 26, 2016 07:55 AM)
Actually it is ignorant or delusional to say a a person's sexual orientation doesn't have influence on an individual's appearance. If it didn't, why would Ellen declare she doesn't have to wear dresses anymore? Why does Ellen DeGeneres act like women's clothing is kryptonite. I don't think you will see a straight women who dresses and acts like a dude nor will you find a straight man wearing short shorts or mesh tank tops while carrying a women's purse. I do not think it should be that way, but they bring it on themselves by perpetuating the stereotypes causing further alienation.
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lrdcharlton — 9 years ago(September 26, 2016 02:50 PM)
Hmm, don't have much to say I see. I probably didn't regard you as worth the little effort it would take and I do not even remember you, shows how much impact you had on me.I am glad I left an impression on you,but unfortunately you didn't learn anything
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bakerstreetdozen — 9 years ago(September 30, 2016 09:11 PM)
Funny, I could have said the exact same thing to you. Having a conversation rather, attempting to have a conversation with you is about as stimulating as engaging with a strip of paper towel. The difference is that the paper towel actually absorbs something and actually serves a purpose.
Give me something to work with here, mate. Perhaps I'll consider.
Why don't you take a pill, bake a cake, go read the encyclopaedia. -
lrdcharlton — 9 years ago(October 01, 2016 09:03 AM)
Wow, the words of a person who has no rebuttle. You have no argument so the defence mechanism is to question my post, very transparent you are. You could at least be a little less obvious and not use the exact,and true, criticism I said in my last post.