um..I have visited quite a few countries among them Venezuela. I have visited India and Nepal your REAL third world coun
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krazyamy — 19 years ago(September 26, 2006 09:07 PM)
It's look for it and about your other ignorant comment where you said only VIPS go to college, that is so fake, the most important uiversity here is public, and a very nice one, me? im far from being a VIP and I study in a nice one with a small salary, so, read first, talk later
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bballgurl110 — 19 years ago(July 03, 2006 10:30 AM)
I am venezuelan as well and I, like krazyamy, find the biography insulting and inaccurate. And to judge a whole country by it's president is pretty ignorant, I'm pretty sure that not all Americans support George Bush and his policies. While Venezuela may not be as "rich" as the United States when it comes to monetary wealth it is far from being a "third world country." Venezuela is a beautiful country with plenty of things to offer and I think it's a shame that so many people have such a negative impression of it.
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protazek — 19 years ago(November 04, 2006 02:10 PM)
It's not that i don't like Venezuela - i don't like venezuelan state, and worried about it's people.
1.Venezuela IS third world country (maybe this division is a little bit out of date since end of cold war, but still there is a huge difference between V. and former communist block states - "second world"). And it will be worse.
2.A country should not be judged by it's president .. but state - yes, especially if he does all he can to make other country (USA) an enemy to his nation, buys weapons for a money of his poor nation from Russia and Belarus (tested on Chechen civilians), failed taking power by coup d'etat and then was elected.. democraticaly (seems like a history of some austrian painter repeats) elected only because he hated USA most of all candidates and was biggest populist of them all (it's so easy - take from rich, give to poors - problems solved).
3. It's a country with high level of poverty, unemployment, lack of middle class (just poors and rich like in medieval Europe), economical nationalisation, corruption, Chavez still increases state involvement in all life aspects, especially economy . If not oil and it's high prices - you would beg for food, cause oil is all your economy. You achieved difficult goal- you have oil and are still poor nation- that can't be easy. If universities are "public" then what percent of people are studying there? You say you live well - leave your city and take a tour over rural areas, you propably have no idea about social polarisation of your people. Are people migrating FROM USA TO Venezuela or opposite? Yes, i don't like venezuelan state. But state and nation are 2 different things. This i meant writing my previous posts.
When someonb68e from country like Venezuela says me he lives well, then i hear: "protection, nepotism, corruption". I mean one is usually more a pig than a hard working man if he belongs to an elite of a state like Venezuela. Or most of modern states ruled by populists. USA is far better in this aspect. Obviously there are exceptions of this rule. Maybe it's not so bad to use a protection in career, if otherwise you'd be starving
Just for clearance - i'm not against ven. people but state - i smell troubles always when state increases it's control over people. First patriot's duty - is to protect country from it's government.
Generally things in Venezuela suck.
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RUTHBREEZE — 19 years ago(July 06, 2006 10:24 PM)
chavez ..see i'm not pro-american but this country gave me a lot of oportunities that i dind't get in Venezuela ..i miss my countryb68 that's the truth but i cant bear to see people defending hugo chavez , i left venezuela 3 years ago ,i was too poor there(I'M NOT RICH BUT I LIVE BETTER NOW) ,i coulnd get into college cause i was unable to pay it and if you recently was there you know better than me how hard is get a job there i hate chavez with all my soul i'm poor and i love venezuela , you know what :i rather be capitalist many people say chavez is comunist but i think is not he is just a FIDEL CASTRO puppet and i know for sure that his more capitalist than any usa senator he is just a false imitation of fc less smart of courseif he hate too much united states why is he buying usa made weapons? curious!!! problem is there is a lot of por people like me ,there those who try to scape(me) ,there those who follow him in exchange for money or worse a plate of food sure the hunger and the poverty has many faces ..i just wanna know something about the venezuelan people who follows hugo chavez and lives in this country (usa)? if you love the revolution and the beep president we have them what the hell are you doing here !!! i'm sure there is a lot of people who'd love to be here get back to your loved revolution and let other really needy venezuelan who love the freedom take your place i hope someone who has really the guts(COJONES)kill that bastard ASAP and for those who think that venezuela is a hell hole isn't true we have country and cities like every place in the world ,we have excellent academics institutions and i'm proud to say that the metro de caras(subway) runs better than the New york city subway .
ABOUT PATRICIA beep SHE IS A MODEL .WHAT DOES SHE CARE ABOUT THE REAL LIFE I BET SHE DOSN'T SEE BEYOND THE CRISTAL BUBBLE SHE LIVES IN. -
Zuckermaus — 19 years ago(August 04, 2006 06:27 PM)
I like how no matter what, someone always has to turn this into an anti-american discussion. It happens everywhere. Be smart, stick to the topic. If you want to talk about your disgust for America then go find a message board where it is appropriate and relevant.
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mwooody — 19 years ago(September 29, 2006 01:09 PM)
Yes, technically - or as technical as I can get it, given that the terms "first/second/third world" are ultimately subjective - Venezuela is probably second world. It's a hard one to call, given that the terms are used in a number of different situations based on different criteria, and a lot of the designations made in the past 50 years are no longer valid based on current data. My best attempt at a scientific determination, after some research into the history of the "third world" term and its current usage, comes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HDImap_current.png . Typically, "first world" applies to an HDI of 0.85 and above, namely North America, possibly Mexico, all of western Europe, Australia, Japan, Argentina, Chile, Korea, and New Zealand. "Second World" tends to start around 0.60, encompassing most of the rest of the world, most notably China and the former Soviet Union and, yes, Argentina. India is sort of on the borderline between second and third, while much of central Africa remains firmly stuck in third world status. Note that some people have more stringent requirements for second world status, separating more industrial countries from the pack, and instead reserve the term "fourth world" for the truly abysmal HDIs of 0.40 and below - this categorization might indeed place Argentina in third world statu238s, but I don't think it likely; it's roughly equal in HDI to China, and I seriously doubt anyone is willing to call China a third world country.
If you have a major problem with being called "third" or "second" world, just don't use the terms; what I outline here is a largely subjective system and not really used in any official sense. What IS interesting is the map of the HDI which, while remaining somewhat subjective, is nevertheless the UN's method of numerically rating statistics like poverty, literacy, education, life expectancb68y, childbirth, etc. Man, Africa has some work to do.
For the America-haters on here - not getting into that argument here, though I do think it ironic that many of them have probably learned that hatred from a traditionally self-critical American media - you'll be pleased to know that Norway, Iceland, Australia, Luxembourg, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, and Belgium rank higher than the US. Socialized medicine FTW. -
AdrienneCannon — 19 years ago(October 04, 2006 04:28 AM)
You're so right. I was offended and uncomfortable about the ignorance of the biographer. I am not Venezuelan, but I see bigotry and ignorance when it's there. Who writes these biographies?!?!
From the World Book Encyclopedia: "Since the 1920's, Venezuela has become one of the wealthiest and most rapidly changing countries on the continent. Income from petroleum exports enabled Venezuela to carry out huge indust5b4rial development and modernization programs." Third world country - ha. -
The_Em — 19 years ago(October 04, 2006 01:32 PM)
Why is everyone attacking the original poster? She never said a thing about Americans, she was just making a point about the inaccuracies in the biography. She was defending her country, there's nothing wrong with that.
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Niteshift36 — 19 years ago(November 05, 2006 01:28 AM)
You quote the phrase "indigenous third world country", but the phrase does NOT exist in her IMDB Bio. They DO call Venezuela a "third world country", but the word "indigenous" isn't until the last couple of lines in the bio, while talking about her foundation that helps "indigenous peoples".
The word "indigenous" simply means native. Why is that offensive?
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Gabriel_Irwin — 19 years ago(November 12, 2006 01:36 PM)
I'm from Vemezuela and trust me this is a jungle(not litteraly), there are many ways as a country to grow up specially here, the problem is that venezuelans are a bunch animals, savages, barbarians!!! we as a country do not have the intention to stop being a third world country as we in fact are, yes there are great universities here with many careers but it is always the same we have a complete lack of vision. That's how other country people see us and sadly that's who we are
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oles98 — 19 years ago(November 12, 2006 08:20 PM)
Gabriel Irwin:
Im from Venezuela too and I respect your opinion, but find it incredibly unfair. "venezuelans are a bun2000ch (of) animals, savages, barbarians!! we as a country do not have the intention to stop being a third world..". If you are able to set your opinion here, then should I think of you as an animal?
The possibility of development will only begin when those who have the opportunity to live here begin to think about the country OTHER than a land of "barbarians". Youve surely read and sure, seen how many individuals bet everyday for the country they would like to live in: a BETTER one, with opportunities and justice for all.
Yes, that is hard.. I see it everyday in the streets of Caracas. But if we do not work for it, then who will?
Please think about it,
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Gabriel_Irwin — 19 years ago(November 14, 2006 09:40 AM)
Oles:
I truly believe that you are right, but I also beliave that the main problem with this country is that people don't want to work hard enough, they just don't, people don not love this country as they should becuase trust me this could be the greatest and biggest country of all but it requires HARD WORK from all of us and I've seen that no body wants to do so, people in here rather just asks polititians to give without working for it and then blame them for our own problen and keep themselves in ignorance. that's why we are where we are and have the president that we have. Beacuse although I'm working hard to change this view of life that venezuelans have I have seen that they don't want to change it. They prefer to do what they've been doing since the creation of this nation without learning from our own history and other countries history and regardless any intention to stop the great corruption that seems to be drowning us these days.
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lavender8787 — 19 years ago(December 02, 2006 03:27 PM)
I've always heard that Venezuela is beautiful and I'm American. I can also find my own country and many others on a map (in response to someone else's post). There is also a very good chance that someone from America didn't even write her biography. Anyone could have made it up from anywhere in the world. Please don't judge so much.
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llamalulu11 — 19 years ago(January 04, 2007 09:19 PM)
Just because someone expresses their opinon against the U.S does not mean they are jealous, disregarding their opinions for jealousy is closed minded and an example to some of the opinons generated. Generalizing in t2000he defense of generalizing is pretty much hypocrisy, not so charming or fair. Just as much as i dislike hearing sterotypical junk about other countries or groups, I dislike seeing how people will think 'Americans' are a dumb, vengeful, fat, pompous population. People who possess these characteristics may happen to be the majority but that doesn't mean the minority should be disrespected just because we sometimes aren't heard or asked our opinion of how to opperate.
As far as i know, nobody appreciates being misrepresented so the content concerning: 'which is basically the only choice for Native American children from Venezuela' and the little repetitive parts about '..in a 3rd world country' and 'needless to say, Patricia's life was far from luxurious' you actually did not need to say as it seems irrelvant and has caused some conflict(even if unintentionally). It is always good to know anyone has bettered themself from "rags to riches" through a constructive and creative way though!
And i don't remember who asked but Native Americans refer to the first peoples of the Americas. And the 'Americas' are not the U.S.A and canada but North and South [[America]] -
Jane_Doe01 — 19 years ago(February 12, 2007 06:54 PM)
Venezuela is definitely not a third world country. They describe Venezeual as an Italy with Spanish speaking people.
Uh-huh.
Get over it, it may not be a jungle but the country is still ridden in poverty. This is one of the most pointless, worthless threads ever. Latin Americans can be so damned annoying.
