Oh man, you gotta listen to Obscured by Clouds more, I think it's one of their top 5 albums.
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jaggercool — 19 years ago(December 17, 2006 08:43 AM)
Rogers work on Music from the body was quite good. Although I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a solo album. He only contributed to six or seven songs and only 4 had lyrics. However those 4 songs were great. Old school Waters. Acoustic. Also, one of those 4 songs is a lost Pink Floyd song, Give Birth to a Smile, featuring Dave, Rick, and Nick.
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donstuie — 19 years ago(January 31, 2007 09:16 PM)
I know I'll probably get castrated for this, but if any Floyd album in my eyes can be considered "overrated" to me it's
Wish you were here
.
dodges bottles hurled at him Now hear me out. I still think it's a great album, one of my personal favourites. But I don't understand how people can compare it to DSOTM and The Wall in terms of creativity and technical prowess. To me, WYWH is the ideal album (on par perhaps with Ok Computer by Radiohead) to listen to while lying on her back with a joint, or by a warm fireplace with a glass of whiskey in your hand. But for me, you can't compare it with DSOTM or the Wall for sheer brilliance.
On the flipside, I think Floyd's most
underrated
album would have to be
Meddle
. Two of my favourite Floyd songs of all time to bookend the album (One of these days & Echoes) but unfortunately a lack of quality otherwise. Had there been more meaningful material to fill the gaps this could've been a classic to Dark side proportions.
Animals
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doublea54321 — 19 years ago(May 10, 2006 12:30 AM)
yeah i agree that dark side is the most cliched. i don't know about overrated, it certainly is a very solid album, and usually the listener's first floyd one. the wall was good for me the first few times, but then i got tired of it. i'd say their most underrated is Animals, followed by Meddle maybe. Piper wasn't too bad either. Oh and Wish You Were Here was perfect
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cowtown43202 — 19 years ago(March 22, 2007 10:55 PM)
I agree with davemx 100%.
Those two records are a blemish on a legendary band's history. If you don't agree that Momentary Lapse and Division Bell aren't real Pink Floyd, just look at the writing credits the real Pink Floyd didn't need a team of record company-hired writers. -
julianreynoso — 19 years ago(March 25, 2007 01:52 PM)
The thing is that Pink Floyd died when Waters left the band. The combination of all four guys were Pink Floyd. I've seen a Waters show recently and the dark side of the moon isn't the same without Gilmour. And this new pink floyd trio lacks the composing and theatrical skills that Waters has.
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donstuie — 18 years ago(April 22, 2007 08:22 PM)
That's right. As crucial as Waters is to the band and its success, it's the creative input from all of the members (particularly from Gilmour) that made the Floyd the success they were. Gilmour can't write songs but is a great collaborator and plays the guitar better than almost anybody and Waters can't sing or give the Floyd that radio-friendly edge, but is obviously a superb writer. These two need each other, and to listen to each other, for the band to be the best it can be. Sure, Momentary Lapse and Division Bell (while still pretty good albums) don't stack up to the stuff from the 70s, but having said that The Final Cut and Roger's solo work comes up short also because Roger is in an environment where he is the boss, and is seperated (by a wall, I guess you could say) from his listeners.
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davemx — 18 years ago(April 22, 2007 10:12 PM)
Wow, Waters can't sing? lol you should know Pink Floyd and Waters' history better before posting, not only about Roger's singing, but also because you can't even compare "Amused To Death" to those crappy Gilmour-led albums (AMLOR, TDB) "Amused" is a masterpiece that confirms Roger WAS and still IS Pink Floyd's leader and creative force, Waters could sing, i absolutely agree Dave is a brilliant guitar player, but he always needed the vehicle of Roger's composing to display his best skills, and he sings nice too, but try and compare "On An Island" to "The Pros' And Cons" or "Amused To Death", there you go.
Dave needs Roger more than Roger needs him.
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kongen-6 — 18 years ago(July 20, 2007 11:15 AM)
You lost or something? Do you actually HEAR tones in your head when you listen to a record?
Need glasses too perhaps? I can agree with you that "Momentary" was rather bad.But if you can read? take a look at the credits on Division bell!!! Gilmour/Wright ALL THE
beep WAY! with some additional b68lyrics from Gilmours wife Polly.
SeriouslyThey have schools that can help you learn to read!
Marooned? Cluster One.Keep talking? Coming back to lifeHigh Hopes? if thats what you morons call CRAP, then Britney must be a musical GENIUS ehh?
Im a long life Floyd fan from DSOTM to Divison Belland for me DSOTM and the wall are the two best albums seen as a "whole" but Division bell is beep great too.If you actually listen to the album with no "Waters was the genius" in your paperhead then youll find it great too. There are 3 Pink Floyd "camps" out there today 1.Waters fanatics - He was the only creative person and everybody else sucks! (mostly teenagers whos conclusions are based on other peoples opinions)
2.Gilmour fans - They think he was the musical foundation along with Rick and Roger the "creative force"
3.Pink Floyd music fans - People who actually listen to their music instead of taking sides. Loves the classic seventies era and thinks their latest albums are OK too.
I think im in the last "camp" : )
Here is my rating on some of their most respected work:
Piper - 3/10Pathetic? This is like hearing my 10 year old brother play!
Genius? maybeDepends on your mental health :)I like to listen to music and melodyNOT watch paint dry (It may be a nice "painting" in the end but)
Meddle - 7/10Echoes is a complete MASTERPIECE..but san tropez and the other ones are just goodVery good album but not great.
DSOTM - 10/10Nothing to say hereJust fantastic!
WYWH - 9/10A couple of classic compositions here but a little too "synth" for my taste..Not entirely as good as DSOTM
Animals - 8/10..DOGS! need i say more? Maybe one of their greatest songs? I think so
The wall - 8/10..Concept is fantastic but i get a little tired when i listen to it.There are a few tracks i usually skips(Bring the boysVeraetc.)
Comfortably Numb!!! Ahhhhhhh what a great song!
Final Cut - 3/10.for meThis is just WHINING! Leftovers from the wall i think.One good track thouFletcher memorial.
Momentary Laps - 5/10A couple of very good tracks like "learning to fly" and "Sorrow" but to "80ies" for my taste
Division bell - 9/10..One of my favourite albums! this has the "old" DSOTM kind of sound quality to it.Not by far as good as DSOTM concept or lyricaly likeBut GREAT tracks individually speaking.High hopes! what a great finale!
Cheers!
Pardon my typing.
English is not my native tongue!
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Cbak — 18 years ago(April 23, 2007 07:24 AM)
Definitely Piper At The Fates of Dawn for me. Yes, Astronomy Domine and Interstaller Overdrive, but then there are several tracks which are just like nursery rhymes. What's the difference between, say, The Gnome and Paul McCartney's We All Stand Together? At least McCartney wasn't pretending to appeal to spaced out hippies with the frog song.
Floyd's best album is Wish You Were Here. Every track still sounds good as part of the album or in its own right. Some of Dark Side sounds dated, like the instrumentals On The Run and Any Colour You Like, and Brain Damage/Eclipse. The Wall is too fragmented to deserve all the acclaim heaped on it (songs not really going anywhere), despite the magnificence of Comfortably Numb. Animals suffers because the bookended Pigs On The Wing is musically out of step with all the anger in the other tracks. The only other album that counts is Meddle. Too many of the first few tracks either offer more than they deliver, or are just plain awful (St Tropez, Seamus), although it's worth getting through all that to reach the haven of Echoes (a masterpiece). -
davemx — 18 years ago(April 23, 2007 09:03 AM)
Well, you obviously are not a Pink Floyd fan, Brain Damage/Eclipse is the best part from DSOTM, the grand finale, and it doesn't sound "dated", "Any Colour You Like" is a crappy song indeed, with Richard Wright's nonsense on the keyboards, it is so bad, the band didn't even mention it on the "Classic Albums" DVD, but still, the record is a masterpiece from Roger Waters.
The Wall 'too fragmented"? yeah, right, the only bad moment in it, is Dave's vocals on "The Show Must Go On", lame.
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donstuie — 18 years ago(April 23, 2007 06:25 PM)
Wow, Waters can't sing? lol you should know Pink Floyd and Waters' history better before posting, not only about Roger's singing, but also because you can't even compare "Amused To Death" to those crappy Gilmour-led albums (AMLOR, TDB) "Amused" is a masterpiece that confirms Roger WAS and still IS Pink Floyd's leader and creative force, Waters could sing, i absolutely agree Dave is a brilliant guitar player, but he always needed the vehicle of Roger's composing to display his best skills, and he sings nice too, but try and compare "On An Island" to "The Pros' And Cons" or "Amused To Death", there you go.
Dave needs Roger more than Roger needs him.
Waters - Gilmour = Pink Floyd, that's all there is to it.
You have no idea how much I know about the Floyd, so keep the generalisations to yourself.
Even Roger admits that his vocal abilities are limited, he's said so for decades, and even on his most recent tour wouldn't touch songs like Money or Us and Them, and left them to his co-horts. I also quite like how you chose to overlook the fact that I said Gilmour can't write songs to save his own life. No beep There's no doubt that Waters' solo work is stronger than Gilmour's, but it still isn't Floyd. Floyd's success was from their ability to write and play music that was both highly artistic and creative, but also could be commercially viable at the same time, and the band were at their best when they were collaborating (except for The Wall obviously). Waters wanted the message to come before the music, Gilmour wanted the opposite. Waters' solo work is not Floyd, its Waters' solo work. I'm not going to get into a pissing match over who was more important to the band, because it's obviously Waters, but the simple fact is that for both men to be as good as they can be, they need each other, and dare I say it they need that conflict of ideas.
Floyd is Waters writing the songs with input from Gilmour, Gilmour on guitar and the two of them sharing vocal duties. Sorry to burst your bubble but you'll probably find the majority of Floyd fans feel the same way.
Just because people disagree with you it doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about, think about it.