LIAR! She manipulated women into lying about Manson abuse!
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Lilith — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 01:41 AM)
I've read the court documents Smithline filed admitting that ERW and Gore had gathered and coerced women to make false claims against Manson. Are you aware that they fabricated an FBI letter using the name of a real FBI agent, impersonating a federal office and officer, to coerce or convince other women that he was being investigated. You seriously have no problem with this?
Forging a federal document to coerce women to make false allegations is only one of their criminal acts. They hacked into his computer. His ex-personal assistant provided passwords (which obviously should have been changed, but we usually expect people we hire to be trustworthy) and sent false emails.
He's already had three cases dismissed, one case settled. He's not mainstream and he's a shock rocker, and people are not separating the art from the artist.
ERW and Gore tried to use the making of the film Groupie to "prove" that Manson filmed and tortured women. The woman in the video, Pola, has been interviewed and stated she was not underage, there was no abuse, and contrary to what the narrative is, there was no SA or any such behaviour. Pola was also on set when the Heart Shaped Glasses video was filmed and even was friendly with ERW at the time. ERW was not r*ped on set, the sex was simulated, and ERW was the one who came up with many of the creative ideas for that video.
I am not dying on the hill of Manson, but I, as someone who has been through SA and DV, know that what these women are doing by weaponizing the #MeToo movement is harming real victims.
As more and more of these women fall off the bandwagon and recant their accusations, the more and more fake accusations will be stopped and hopefully prosecuted. To crucify a man to where he loses his career and livelihood because he's not family-friendly based only on social media and accusations, is immoral and should be illegal.
I fully support Depp as well. If you watched the trial, you'd have heard and seen how Heard was the abuser.
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Sophienoire — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 02:01 PM)
I also think it's true you hate women.
yep. i think so, too.
it starts already with the thread title: "
LIAR!!!!!
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She
maNiPULaTed wOiMminzzz into
LYING
about a SEXUAL ABUSE CASE AGAINST A POWERFUL MAAAAN WHO REMINDS ME OF JOHNNY "THE DREAM" DEPP!!!!!" gasp gasp gasp
i didnt read much further than that.
in her world are
Amber Heard: manipulator, liar and abuser … junkie Johnny: THE VICTIM
Meghan Markle: manipulator and nuts … Harry: her cute, but gullible puppet
now Evan Rachel Wood: manipulator and liar … creepy rapey Manson: INNOCENT!!!!
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138 — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 02:29 PM)
She does seem to be on the wrong side of all these things lol. I definitely see a bias in favor of men. I don't think she's trolling or crazy, but there seems to be a blindspot. A charitable way to look at it is maybe she's familiar with a case of wrongful accusations. These things can shape your prejudices, much like you and arab men.
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Sophienoire — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 02:43 PM)
yeah, makes sense.
i don't think Lil is nuts either, i'm just baffled how she can even take sides here and already claim AT THIS POINT that Manson is completely innocent and all the women here are liars and manipulators and do this because they're also inherently vile and devious and not to be trusted, ever while THE MAN is always UNTOUCHABLE. she's worse than the worst misogynistic sex troll on here (see Steve Lake's comment) which is why i'm suspecting her to be trolling, too… lmaooo
it's always the same with her, as i've elaborated above, so i'm familiar with her mindset and i really don't want to get into this too much with her. i'm just gonna keep calm now. lol
as for me and my Arab men hate, well, i'm not crazy either, sooo…
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138 — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 02:55 PM)
I understand your frustration with her. She has frustrating takes on things, but it doesn't seem like trolling. I've seen this same blindspot from family members and a lot of people who don't want to see their favorite people as abusers. I've been reluctant to accept it because Jesus Christ, all my heroes keep turning out to be predatory: Woody Allen, Louis CK, Stza of Leftöver Crack, Johnny Depp, etc. If David Lynch turns out creepy, I'm gonna ****in ****in kill myself lol.
I'm just saying our experiences shape our prejudices sometimes. I've seen your justifications, and I find them lacking, but get where you're coming from. I have my own prejudices I wrestle with.
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Sophienoire — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 05:33 PM)
and surprise, all these predators are all rather powerful men!
i think there was a controversy around Lynch some years ago when he thought about starting and building up a meditative community here in Berlin which he called "church of meditation of something something" but which sounded more like a sect. he really was going to buy an estate here in Berlin or nearby and start that ****. i'm glad he didnt follow through with that in the end. imagine Lynch leading a sect.
i don't think he's an actual predator tho. his leading actresses and yearslong muses never stopped loving him, and among them are hardline feminists Isabella Rossellini, Laura Dern and Naomi Watts. he's a good one, i'm sure.
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Lilith — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 03:12 PM)
I do not hate women. I hate people who manipulate others into a mindset.
If I hated women, why would I support people like Rose McGowen who helped to bring down the likes of Harvey Weinstein, a man who was the epitome of a predatory, manipulative abuser? Why would I support Virginia Guiffre as a victim being legitimately trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein? Did you forget that I was pro Meghan and Harry in the beginning until they began to spin their lies and machinations, (lies which have been fact checked and proven false). I don't blindly believe. You do.
Men are not untouchable. You just like to hate all men and your cohorts like to make sweeping statements without looking at the facts.
I make comments about three women and you think I hate "all" women? See? You're as illogical as Christina's sweeping statements trying to know how all Germans feel.
I've also read legal documents in this case and am informed at how things have transpired. I'm making my decision based on facts.
Wood and Gore can forge federal documents and you'll still think their **** doesn't stink. Shame on you.
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Sophienoire — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 05:23 PM)
Wood and Gore can forge federal documents
and you'll still think their **** doesn't stink. Shame on you.
lolwut i dont live in your country, so i couldnt care less what you crazy Americans are doing over there
nor do i have the slightest idea what you are even talking about here in the first place
i dun smell nuthin.
as for the rest, fair enough. i really don't keep tabs on everyone here and that's why i don't remember that you've been a glowing supporter of #Metoo and on the right side in the Epstein case. (good for you!)
you know, after threads like this one here, you just have to remind everyone that you're actually not
that
bad as i have assumed once again, even if we still are on completely opposite sides, on pretty much everything. lol no point in arguing tho. it's all good.
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138 — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 03:49 AM)
Consider the possibility she's caving to pressure from the other side and fans. Also, there's no proof Evan is a liar. I get not wanting to automatically assume guilt, but your assumption that the accuser is lying is equally problematic.
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Lilith — 3 years ago(February 24, 2023 04:02 AM)
Have you read even one of the court documents (that are available to the public) with regards to these cases? This is a carefully orchestrated machination.
I'm not assuming. In the beginning of this, I was very much on the fence because I didn't know the facts. I've been following this closely for two years.
I think "believe all women" is fundamentally wrong: it sets a dangerous precedent. Many people are placing their support in what they "feel" or because Manson is such a freakish personality.
If ERW and Gore's cases were so strong, they would not need to hack into Warner's (Manson's) computer, actively go on a recruiting mission to "find" victims, create a checklist for every female in Manson's life to fill out (rather than an organic evolution of incidents). Wood and Gore created a list for all the women to use to make their cases cohesive. They didn't just ask these women an open question, such as, "were you ever abused by MM?" or "Can you list what events transpired?" Those are legitimate queries.
If their cases were so strong, they wouldn't have to fabricate a letter from the FBI and impersonate an actual federal agent under false pretenses to manipulate an agenda. They also coordinated the rollout of what day to post about their "abuse."
They also worked very hard to convince many of these women that they were just repressing memories. That, and perhaps kink-shaming. Esme Bianco is a BDSM model who was hired by Manson, flown in from England, put up, given shelter, expenses covered and paid for the work she provided, then she had sex with him, and she was trying to say MM is guilty of "human trafficking?" C'mon man. She and Manson settled for a piddly sum right before Smithline admitted to what Wood and Gore did to create this backlash. They did not come together organically.
What they're doing is destroying the way real victims are going to be believed, or not. Same as Heard. Men can be victims of assault, too.
"Your emotional state is not my responsibility." – Warren Smith
