Fu(king tragic I'm in tears
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(June 30, 2016 08:56 PM)
You have missed the boat about the aspect of "sympathy". Sympathy is steeped in self-pity and victim mentalities. How do you know if Yelchin would even want your sympathy? That is condescending. What you can feel, is compassion and empathy. That way you are acknowledging those that have been directly affected by the loss of someone, understanding the tragedy of an individual senselessly losing their life, yet not take on board their pain and suffering for yourself. It is not yours to take on. Being sympathetic, can also be born out of a woe is me attitude and negative projection. I choose not to be sympathetic if I can help it, after all, it does have the last 3 syllables forming the word "pathetic". A
sym
phony of patheticness. You decide.
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sylviah_online — 9 years ago(July 01, 2016 04:37 AM)
I'm not sure if you are right that the word sympathy always has a negative connotation. It has a similar meaning than compassion as far as I understand it. English is not my native language, though.
Anyway, I don't know now who brought the word sympathy into this discussion. The question is then: how do you know that what people here express is condescending sympathy instead of compassion or empathy?
I agree with you that how a fan is affected by his death is something else than how family and close friends are affected by it. But when a fan is saddened by an artist's death it doesn't necessarily mean he "takes on board their pain and suffering for himself". His loss must be unbearable for his parents, huge for his friends and everyone who knew him personally and loved him. And they deserve our empathy. But he is also a big loss to the world as an artist. And as such it is legitimate for people around the world to mourn his death.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(July 01, 2016 05:17 AM)
It could sound like it is mincing terms,
sympathy, empathy, compassion, etc;
but many fans go on and on and gush about how wonderful and what beautiful people these film stars are when they have never even met them. Their idol might be rude, unpleasant and not give them the time of day if they were to meet them. It is all delusion and placing others on pedestals, which isn't a very wise thing to do. It is mostly silly females that do this too, and act all childish and go into denial about the "reality" of people's natures and situations. And talking about these actors, who apply their "craft" as "artists", can have pretentious connotations for me. Why was Yelchin an "artist"?
Also to answer your question, if one is "mourning" somebody they didn't know personally, then yes, they are full of condescension and phony sympathy to get the attention of others. It is all just an abstract.
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sylviah_online — 9 years ago(July 01, 2016 06:33 AM)
I think acting is a craft and an art. Like making music or painting. A good actor can transform himself into someone else, someone who is totally different from himself, in a very credible way.
I don't think things are as black and white as you paint them. Some people, or even many people, put film stars o5b4n pedestals - and other stars, too. I think it comes from a need to look up to someone. Some people chose their idols wiser than others. While some people worship celebrities just because they are famous, others admire them because of their achievements, their performances. The former, as I've said before, is a concept that is beyond me. The latter is legitimate, I feel. With some stars I can't understand why they are famous at all. Others have worked for their fame and are dedicated to their craft and art.
I think it is very important to realise that these stars are human, too - in a good and bad way, like all of us. It's not healthy to put them on pedestals and think they are gods who can do no wrong. But it's also not right to treat them as if they were just some artificial characters on a movie screen who are not allowed to have feelings, too.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(July 02, 2016 02:57 AM)
There are always layers, depth and grey areas to many things, but sometimes black and white can fit just right. Things are what they are. However, I would say I was just being a realist in some of the points I have made. Yes, you are correct in saying that people have different reasons for why they connect with somebody famous and what they might represent for them. I myself have placed people
both famous and non-famous
up on pedestals; but I have also had to realize that they can also end up disappointing at some stage or other and this is what makes all of us human.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(July 15, 2016 02:28 PM)
IY, most of these comments from posters here are steeped in their own phony sentiment, and while they may mean well, how they feel and express themselves, is more to appease their own image of "self" and shows how clueless and self-absorbed they are. It is not genuine compassion, because like you have mentioned, it doesn't extend beyond their own limited outlook and perceptions and then they think they and others are being wise. They misrepresent themselves and others and it will only get worse with the newer generations.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 03:32 AM)
It was an "accidental" death and not ghoulish or haunting, there was nothing macabre or supernatural about it. He forgot to put on the handbrake. Why do you want others to compliment your dog?
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amrc-41967 — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 04:08 PM)
It's really morbid that I just remembered he existed exactly the night he died. I was talking with some friends at around midnight and we just started naming some actors that were in a lot of movies we liked.
This guy came up on our little list, someone said he was a really promising teen but I told him the guy was already almost 30 years old. We argued, I used my phone to get my facts straight and couldn't believe the first link that came up when I typed Anton Yelchin. I seriously felt my throat ache when I saw the headline with Anton Yelchin and tragic accident.
I was just now starting to watch Green Room and noticed he was in the movie and almost started crying. It just shows us how insignificant and fragile we are, that a guy 27 years old could die in under a minute because he forgot to park his car. Just that little mistake and Anton will never be able to share his thoughts, laugh and cry, be with his loved ones. Damn. I feel sad for the people who find this hilarious because it was a stupid accident. It was a stupid accident, but it doesn't diminish the disregard for human life one must have to comment in such a way. -
faustiel-50866 — 9 years ago(July 13, 2016 09:13 AM)
Thanks for reply amrc-41967. It seems this thread has got out of hand and has sparked some hatred and debate about the actor, the circumstances of his death and wether or not his death is any less than others. I started this thread to honour the actor because I felt he was not only a good actor but also a good person from all accounts. It was never my intention to imply he was more important than other people and his life was worth more than others; it was to convey how sad I was about his passing AS a human that I knew from the screen. Im deeply saddened about all who lose their lives in senseless accidents,acts of violence and mans hatred toward their fellow man.
I wish you guys would tone it down a bit and remember Anton WAS a human being as well as an actor but this being the internet and IMDB boards I won't hold my breath.
BTW his performance in Green Room was outstanding.