It is not racism to want your children to look like you
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PurpleNiobe — 18 years ago(November 12, 2007 05:43 PM)
I guess I really don't have any problem with it either as long as family members don't treat the children cruel just because the child doesn't look like them.
I don't even have a problem with someone who does not date outside thier race. Some people are just attracted to thier own race and that's just fine. It's the people who don't do it because "Those people are violent and always getting into trouble" or "Those people aren't to be trusted" or "Thier blood is sickly and you'll have sickly children" or the many other silly reasons I've heard come out of people's mouths that bother me.
I'm not saying Dog has said/done any of this. But sometimes there is more to it than just wanting your kids to look like you.
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paul-2219 — 18 years ago(November 12, 2007 08:10 PM)
"I'm not saying Dog has said/done any of this. But sometimes there is more to it than just wanting your kids to look like you"
Fair enough and I agree. But can you honestly say that you are as upset when a black parent tries to discourage an inter-racial marriage as you are when a white parent does so? Do you paint each of them with the same racism brush?
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PurpleNiobe — 18 years ago(November 12, 2007 08:33 PM)
Fair enough and I agree. But can you honestly say that you are as upset when a black parent tries to discourage an inter-racial marriage as you are when a white parent does so? Do you paint each of them with the same racism brush?
I would most certainly paint everyone with the same brush just like I've been raised to do. I wholeheartedly believe that people should date someone who makes them feel loved and secure and skin color should be one of the last things people think aboutunless 5b4that person is purple with green stripes or something.
The only time I can remember being angry at one of my black friends dating someone white was because I overheard him say some nonsense like "Black women have too bytchy", but I wasn't mad at his girlfriend, I was mad at him. I felt like his comment was more of an insult to women in general than it was towards black women, as IMHO I felt like he was looking for a doormat to date and felt white women where a better option for that.
And once I stopped seeing a white guy I was semi dating becuase I got tired of him saying various things like "I like brown suger" and "Chocolate caramel girl" which indicated to me that he was more interested in the idea of dating a black girl than who I was as a person.
Did any of that make sense?
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paul-2219 — 18 years ago(November 12, 2007 09:19 PM)
"Did any of that make sense?"
Very good sense. You know you are at the wrong forum and thread, there's nothing but anger and ignorance and racism here. You belong elsewhere:) You know, there are so few perfectly righteous and immaculate people around. I had thought I was the only one, but now, I am damn near certain of it.
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PurpleNiobe — 18 years ago(November 13, 2007 08:41 AM)
Very good sense. You know you are at the wrong forum and thread, there's nothing but anger and ignorance and racism here. You belong elsewhere:)
Thats very nice of you to say! Thank you. I think Im a glutton for punishment. Whenever a situation like this ha1c84ppens I find myself drawn to the discussion only to find myself getting more and more frustrated because everyone seems to be looking to one up the other. Its much easier to discuss this topic outside of the internet. Ive found people seem to be a lot choosier with the way the say things when everyone is face to face.
You know, there are so few perfectly righteous and immaculate people around. I had thought I was the only one, but now, I am damn near certain of it.
You must be, because Im no where near immaculate!
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tsw453 — 18 years ago(November 17, 2007 10:25 AM)
Sorry taggert but I can't agree with you. I wouldn't call your post racist by a long shot but I do feel it is a very close minded and backwards way to be. Would you not love your grandchildren regardless of what color they are? And how selfish is it for the grandparent to want the grandchild to look like them when it isn't even their child?
Secondly, DOG's comment had nothing to do with what you stated. All I heard was he didn't want to make a mistake and say the word "N" in front of a f$*ng "N". Then went on to say he will disown his son for dating a black girl. Had he said he did not want to accidently say "N" in front a black person it may not have sounded as harsh but he called her a f#*ng "N"! Dog is a racist period. -
taggert66 — 18 years ago(November 20, 2007 08:08 AM)
Yes I would love my children regardless of what color they are. What I am trying to say is what is wrong with being proud of your race? When you treat everybody with dignity and respect. I friend of mine wanted to adopt a child so she placed an ad in the paper. The ad stated that she only wanted to adopt a white child because she is white. What is wrong with that? People should be allowed to have their personal preferences.
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paul-2219 — 18 years ago(November 20, 2007 08:04 PM)
"As race doesn't exist it is morally and ethically wrong to demand the presence or requirement of a certain skin colour in any situation."
So I take it you are ethically opposed to such practices as black-focused affirmative action, black-only schools and scholarships, African-American Achievement Awards shows, "Black Pride" events, etc.? All bad?
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paul-2219 — 18 years ago(November 20, 2007 09:07 PM)
Are you really going to compare TV shows (I was the only one carrying a protest sign during taping of Cosby and The Jeffersons) with state-sponsored racist policies? You really have only 2 choices: You can reiterate NOW that ALL race-based exclusionist policies are immoral, or you can laugh and say OUR "kick-at-the-can now". Do you really want to hurt white people who very well may have no (or likely, very little) racist attitudes to people of African descent? You want innocent whites today to pay for the evils of slavers in eras we ALL want to forget but are NOT ALL guilty?
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arixson — 18 years ago(February 26, 2008 01:38 PM)
But there is no such thing as a White entertainment TV station , but I can count at least 4 that are for african americans in the washington d.c. area so do not even start with that white only or white cast garbage
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paul-2219 — 18 years ago(November 21, 2007 09:20 AM)
"People whom consider themselves 'white' have overwhelmingly more power in society as a result of their majority and will, because of the nature of the 'race' classification system, inevitably use the system to benefit themselves to the detriment of others. Thus as this system persists I have no problem with affirmative action."
People in the majority will always have more power than the minority. This is called DEMOCRACY.
You say keep affirmative action until "race" is abolished. Good luck with that, as affirmative action relies on "race" to maintain itself and the division, anger, and self-loathing such an unequal hand-out system propogates.
I don't benefit at all from American slavery. My family came to this country from Austria 50 years ago. If anything I am a VICTIM of racism. And whose family tree is free from enslavement anyway? How far back in the history books must we all delve to find some nationality or skin color to blame? Are present-day Israelis to hate Egyptions for Exodus?
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paul-2219 — 18 years ago(November 21, 2007 11:23 AM)
"I really haven't got a clue how you think just getting rid of affirmative action and letting society go on would make things better??? It really perplexes me; do you live in a bubble or something? We would quite quickly deteriorate back into a pre-civil rights situation."
I'm pretty sure the USA is similar to Canada in this respect, but there are already constitutional guarantees in place to prohibit discrimination by race or gender or creed, and labour tribunals in place to handle complaints by employees, workplace regulations, minimum wage standards, worker's compensation, unemployment insurance, we don't need affirmative action anymore! Here in BC there is a legislation on the table to RESERVE some parliamentary seats for women and minorities. People can vote for whomever they want, and the majority of voters are female!
"The Egyptians in EGYPTIAN SOCIETY are currently NOT LIVING OFF THE HARD WORK the Israelites contributed 1000s of years ago. Their civilisation was wrecked and they pretty much started again. No Egyptian is living off the benefits of Israeli labour"
I have no problem with reparations or treaty settlement. If you are a rich son of a Georgia plantation owner, you should give back what you've inherited unfairly. But to lambaste every "white" person just off the boat from wherever is unfair, and to punish the sons and daughters of "yankees" who died fighting to free slaves is also unfair. Here in Vancouver, the city just settled a treaty with the Musqueam band, turning over a golf course and university endowment lands that could potentially be worth billions (the average home in Vancouver c238osts over 1/2 million) I have no problem with that, pay back what you have taken, but DON'T treat people differently under the law because of ethnicity.
"Can he swing from a thread? No he can't, he's a pig."