"Ille qui nos omnes servabit"
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Tru-Dru — 14 years ago(January 17, 2012 02:45 PM)
Why shouldn't I? The French enslaved and killed many of my people just like the British, Spanish, the Dutch (Nazis) and the Portugese.I blame the British for the Indian English Accent though I kinda like it. Why? Because the British once ruled India with an Iron Fist.
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alkamal_r — 14 years ago(January 18, 2012 04:04 PM)
Why shouldn't you diss other cultures? I'll tell you why. Because please DON'T DISRESPECT THE LANGUAGE, AND CULTURE FOR THAT MATTERTHE FRENCH ACCENT, AND CULTURE ARE A BEAUTIFUL THINGtheir Music, their Food, and all are something that I cannot live without, and JAH (GOD) obviously. The French have influenced many other lands.. I LOVE MY FRENCH PEOPLE THEIR CULTURE, THEIR LANGUAGE, THEIR FOOD, AND ESPECIALLY THEIR WOMEN.
By the way, the French (and the British, Spanish, the Dutch, Portuguese) who enslaved and killed many of "your people" are all probably now dead. The people from these countries that you see and meet now have nothing to do with it, and furthermore, most likely despise those actions. Why this has anything to do with disliking a whole country's culture I have no idea. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder which is affecting the way you view other countries and cultures. I still do not see the logic behind liking the Indian English accent because the British once ruled India with an iron fist..? Do you like the way it's being messed up, as some form of revenge or something? Your initial post seems rather ironic now.
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san-derr — 13 years ago(September 03, 2012 07:08 AM)
"Why shouldn't I? The French enslaved and killed many of my people just like the British, Spanish, the Dutch (Nazis) and the Portugese"
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jejozi — 13 years ago(September 04, 2012 06:32 PM)
So you're saying the Brits FORCED that accent on you? It didn't come naturally from Indians speaking a foreign language? OoooooooKaaaaaaaayyyy
And it's been over 60 years, give it up.
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alkamal_r — 13 years ago(August 02, 2012 06:40 PM)
OK, I didn't know her character was educated in India up to the age of 18, but regardless of that, I was trying to point out that they could have written her character however they wanted. As she graduated from Cambridge, it was entirely feasible that she could have had her education in a High School in England or America, or possibly an International school in India (I have a few friends like that who do not have an Indian accent).
I know Aarti is the actress and not the character, I was merely outlining that it's not as if they had to give an Indian accent out of necessity of the actress having an Indian accent.
An American accent is what's considered normal IN THE US as it's a US sitcom based in America (just as an Indian accent is normal in India, British in UK, Caribbean in the Caribbean Island1c84s, etc.). I'm by no means saying the American accent is normal everywhere.
And finally, I said "people of Indian origin", not "FROM INDIA". As an example, I'm of South Asian origin but I have a British English accent.
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alkamal_r — 13 years ago(September 04, 2012 09:59 PM)
Err no, I'm not from Asia so they'd be mistaken, I'm from the UK. I was born and brought up over here and I've only ever spent like 3 weeks out of 28 years on the subcontinent. Of course they can tell I'm of Asian origin as I'm brown, although I have been mistaken for European before (go figure), so even that's not entirely true.
Indian origin means that your parentage or ethnic origin (i.e. parents/blood/ethnicity) is Indian, whereas "from India" means you were born there and came over to another country to visit, learn, work, settle, etc. If someone was born in the US, and is a US citizen, then I wouldn't think they would identify themselves as "from India" but rather of Indian origin (or Indian-American). For example, is Lucy Liu an American (of Asian origin) or is she "from China"?
That's how I see it anyway, seems to make sense but I would be happy to see another point of view backed up with some sort of reasoning.
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alkamal_r — 13 years ago(September 19, 2012 05:22 PM)
Well OK, I can see why it makes sense for them to have the same accent although they did study at different universities, one going abroad, so it's not entirely unreasonable for them to have gone to different high schools too (maybe one got in to a better one? Anyway I'm clutching at straws here I admit).
However I'm intrigued as to this notion that an ethnic origin and from a particular country is the same thing. Would you say Lucy Liu is of Chinese o111crigin or from China? Can they be interchangeably used here, or does it only work with India? What if several generations of your family were born and brought up in America? Say for example, Robert de Niro?
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nrangerseven — 12 years ago(July 14, 2013 08:54 AM)
You don't understand the incredibly simple concept that the family comes from India and none of the characters were raised in the US so they're not going to have American accents (why aren't you freaking out about the accents of the parents too?) and yet you want to argue semantics? lol Yeah, it only works for India to say someone has Indian origin and is from India hahahahahahahaha
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alkamal_r — 12 years ago(July 14, 2013 05:52 PM)
Yes I do understand that concept, what you seem to have missed in the several posts I have written is that the writers could have written her anyhow they wanted. Some well-off Indian parents (which they must be if she went to Cambridge) send their kids to International schools (in India) where most of them acquire American/English accents depending on the teachers. I understand this is not the norm but I was just mentioning that it would have been refreshing to see an actor/actress of Indian origin speaking with a non-Indian accent, as a strong Indian accent is a bit grating, to my ears anyway, and to the OP too, to whom I was responding. And there was already a character like that anyway so to me it seemed a bit overkill.
Also, for goodness' sake, I
didn't
say it only works for India to say someone having a particular origin and being from that country is the same thing! facepalm So I don't know where you got that from, I think you need to improve your comprehension skills (and you're laughing at me?). I actually disagree with that notion anyway, but was
asking that
as otherwise one would say Lucy Liu is from China. Would you say that? Apparently yes as you answered so sarcastically? And what about people who have lived in the US for a few generations? My other example was Robert de Niro, although I know now he has mixed parentage so that was a bad example. However that throws up even more questions, where would you say he is from, as he has mixed European ancestry?
For clarity, the relevant comment thread went like this:
Me: It's not as if all people of Indian origin have an accent.
Ice-Wine: ALL people of Indian origin FROM INDIA have an INDIAN accent! Fact!
Me: I said "people of Indian origin", not "FROM INDIA".
jejozi: "people of Indian origin" and "FROM INDIA" are the same thing.
Ice-Wine: Alkamal, Indian Origin and FROM INDIA are interchangeably used!
Me: I'm intrigued as to this notion that an ethnic origin and from a particular country is the same thing. Would you say Lucy Liu is of Chinese origin or from China?
^I'd
really, really
love an answer to this, everyone seems to be avoiding that question. Or a better example, is Mindy from The Mindy Project from India? If not then why not, if they mean the same thing? And if yes, then I really don't think she'd agree with you and might even find it a bit annoying.
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jejozi — 13 years ago(September 04, 2012 06:25 PM)
So, does your family know you think their accent is annoying?
Why is a Latino having an accent "patronizing"? I'd be willing to wager that half the Latinos in America speak English with some kind of accent. Heck, a large percentage of them don't even speak English.
No need for an accent? She's from India!! Very, very few native Asian Indians speak English without an Indian accent. Very, very few people who speak ESL speak English without an accent from their country of origin. YOU may not think you have an accent, but I'll bet you do and I've never heard you speak.
You are quit pretentious and patronizing. WHERE did ANYONE say that French cuisine consists solely of fried snails?
Please, explain what a "normal American accent" is? This ought to be good.
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alkamal_r — 13 years ago(September 04, 2012 11:50 PM)
My mum doesn't speak like Priya's character, she speaks English fine, slightly broken but I do not find it annoying. But yes she knows that I hate that accent. My dad doesn't know, never talked to him about accents, but he rarely speaks to me in English anyway. The rest of my generation (and quite a few in the generation above) speak perfect English with an English accent (Received Pronunciation, East London or Birmingham as you seem to be obsessed with being specific).
Having a Latino character in a sitcom with a strong grating Mexican accent is patronizing because not all Latinos speak like that, and nor do they have to. It's almost if the producers want to hammer home: "look he's MEXICAN everybody, you can tell by the accent! Isn't that hilarious!" You might as well have him in a sombrero and poncho, eating burritos. I actually don't know the specific percentage, you seem to do, but this being a sitcom consisting of postgraduates, you'd think that a Latino American would be able to speak English without an over the top Mexican/Spanish accent, which would be the equivalent of Aarti Mann's accent. Nearly every Latino American working in the US film or TV industry does not have a Mexican accent, can you name a few? So why put it on unless you are filming in Tijuana or something? As a comparison, the actor who plays Leonard is actually of Polish and German descent and of Belgian birth, and Howard, of German descent with Jewish roots, but neither speak with an accent, so why is it necessary for a Latino?
Furthermore, you completely missed my point. I mentioned that she needn't have been from India, the writers could have had her as an Indian-American, we already have one person with a strong Indian accent as he had just come over from India, there was no need for another one just because she's brown. I also mentioned that people born in India but educated overseas or in International schools do not have an Indian accent (I have a few friends like this). Anyway, those were just suggestions.
Your point about ESL speakers is complete bull. Many people do have an accent, yes, but there are also SO many people who speak it (myself included) with no foreign accent whatsoever (many even better than the native speakers), especially if they were born here and have spoken it all their lives. It is by no means "very, very few". And no, you have not heard me speak so you have no idea (and you call me patronizing?). FYI, I went to a private secondary school on a scholarship, which Daniel Radcliffe and Skandar Keynes attended. So, how much did you want to bet on this?
WHERE did ANYONE say that French cuisine consists solely of fried snails?
Tru-Dru (on Jan 10, 2012) wrote:
The Indian Language is nowhere as annoying than the French Language that everyone in America hypes up as something being greater than it could ever be..I mean who the Hell eats fried Snails?
Some weird rant about the French language being hyped up (wth?) and a bizarre link to fried snails as if that has anything to do with the language, while trying to DEFEND another country's language and culture. The irony was completely lost on him(/her).
A normal American accent is any accent o1354riginating in the (modern) United States. I hope you enjoyed that.
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jejozi — 13 years ago(September 05, 2012 06:57 PM)
Why so for Latinos? Are you kidding me? How many generations removed are most Poles, Germans, Scots, English and Irish (Those are the lands my people came from. The UK and German sides have been here a looong time, my grandmother was a member of the DAR, but I'm only 2nd generation on the Polish side. And I speak with no accent, maybe a little Minnesota.)? How many generations removed are most Latinos in America? But the thing is, most Latinos, regardless of whether they're American or not, are also still very much segregated in their own community. Not all, but I'd bet the majority. So not only is Spanish or Spanglish still being spoken by many of them, but those who do primarily speak English most likely learned it from listening to people with an accent, thus picking it up themselves, and were submerged in a community that is heavily accented. Look at George Lopez, he has a bit of an accent, yet was born and raised in America. Same with Jennifer Lopez. It's not Sophia Vergara, but it's very definitely there.
" Nearly every Latino American working in the US film or TV industry does not have a Mexican accent, can you name a few?" I'm going to assume that's a typo, given your rant. Let's see; Enrique Murciano, Cote de Pablooh, wait, she's portraying an Israeli, never mind. Adam Rodriguez. Eva La Rue. I don't know his name, but a recurring DEA agent on Breaking Bad. Kirsten Vangsness portrays Penelope Garcia on Criminal Minds. America Ferrera. Mario Lopez. Emilio Estevez, Charlie Sheen (born Carlos Irwin Estvez). Martin Sheen (born Ramon Antonio Gerard Estevez). Freddie Prinze Jr. Edward James Olmos. Lou Diamond Phillips, Selena Gomez, Eva Longoria, Jessica Alba, Cheech Marin, John Leguizamo, Frankie Muniz, Joaquin Phoenix (and brother River), Cameron Diaz, Eva Mendes, Andy Garcia, Jorge Garcia, Benjamin Bratt, Esai Morales, Hector Elizondo. I'm sure there's more, but I think I've disproven your prejudiced point. Why don't you name some who DO speak with an accent, and we'll see if they're from America or an immigrant. 'K?? And I'm not quoting Manuel from Fawlty Towers.
And you miss the point of the character. She's Leonard's friend's (who is Asian Indian) sister. And he's shagging her. Get it, sloanie????
Where did he say that's all they ate? Snails, or escargot, is a famous French dish, probably the only one known by most Americans.
Unless you've consciously made an attempt to remove your accent, you still have one, however small. Oooo, Harry Potter andwho??? Be still my heart. That proves absolutely nothing. Other than you're a name dropper. Total non sequitur.
It's obvious you know very little about America, so don't even try to tell us who we are. You rely completely on the stereotypes you so loud16d0ly sniff at.
There is no normal American accent.
"Better than the native speakers", ya gotta looooove the irony!!!
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jejozi — 13 years ago(September 04, 2012 06:08 PM)
"Normal American accent", what's that? Is that a New York accent or a Minnesota accent? Or a Texas accent or a Georgia accent? A New England accent or a California accent? A northern California accent or a southern California accent? In other words, there IS no "normal American accent".
This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.