Goldeneye Overrated????
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moonunit-00839 — 9 years ago(September 09, 2016 03:38 PM)
A James Bond fan complaining about a static camera?
That's just a false narrative. Martin Campbell also directed two movies in the Zorro franchise. Mask of Zorro, like Goldeneye, was fantastic, and very polished. Legend of Zorro, like Casino Royale, was more of a marketing cash in. The narrative is discombobulated and so is the tone. Weak, undeveloped characters. Orci and Kurtzman are the American Purvis and Wade. Only they could mess up original source material like that. -
RynoII — 9 years ago(September 12, 2016 10:22 PM)
It's kind of good, kind of not. I find the plot in Goldeneye to be lacking, but I like the villains and the girls, and the action. I especially love Xenia Onatopp, who is the best henchwoman of the whole series, so it gets points for that.
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AlisonBlaire — 9 years ago(September 06, 2016 10:45 PM)
Sure, it's overrated. Doesn't mean it's not a great Bond, and doesn't mean that - when the next Bond inevitably rolls around and we immediately get people declaring 'BEST BOND EVER' - we will immediately see the same reevaluation of Craig's films and specifically the massively praised Casino Royale being picked apart. I specifically expect that groanworthy 'armour' dialogue from CR to become the new 'it's what keeps me aliiiiiive'.
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moonunit-00839 — 9 years ago(September 09, 2016 03:42 PM)
"It's what keeps me alive" was immediately retorted, "No. It's what keeps you alone". Goldeneye is playful. Casino Royale plays in earnest. Its trying too hard, and is way out of its element. Double agent Vesper is no more developed than any delicate throw away from the other movies.
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AlisonBlaire — 9 years ago(September 09, 2016 11:41 PM)
You don't need to be so defensive. Goldeneye is clearly my favourite Bond, with my favourite Bond character, as evidenced by my icon. I'm just saying that the 'alive' line is mocked these days when it was previously seen as giving Bond depth; now I guarantee that the 'armour' dialogue will become a joke among the fanbase the next time around, especially as CR seems to increasingly occupy a similar spot for Craig as GE does Brosnan.
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sawfan1414 — 9 years ago(September 07, 2016 07:25 PM)
I personally feel Brosnan's run as Bond has aged excellently. GoldenEye is a terrific Bond film, one of the best. Just because it got some added exposure from a video game doesn't take away the fact that it's a very enjoyable film. Brosnan is good, one of the best villain/henchman/Bond girl trio in the series, action sequences (the final fight and the library/tank chase stand out) are great, the opening and the climax of the film is about as good as it gets in Bond.
Also, Tomorrow Never Dies is criminally underrated. IMO one of the most enjoyable entries of the entire series.
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lkjandersen — 9 years ago(September 08, 2016 01:37 AM)
I think the story still holds up, even if it never fully decides on the tone it wants to take. The soundtrack dates it something fierce, though. It wouldn't have dated any worse if the score had been a "Now, that's what I call Music" CD ca. 1995.
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pking-2 — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 11:41 AM)
Did we really need to hear that in a Bond film?
Sounds like you'd call it unnecessary.
On the other handthe other options available are to cast a Judy Dench as M and write her so that she's
unaware
of Bond's history of sexist misogyny (or at least, for apologists, mere inclinations towards what can be misconstrued as sexist misogyny). Either that or refuse to consider casting a Judy Dench as a successor Mwhich would be a bit of sexist misogyny in its own right. Right?
Neither of which seems quite right either.
I'm not quite sure what to make of the strain of Bond fandom that seems to want Bond fiction to be a haven
away
from the friction that being like Bond (or at least, being like Ian Fleming's Bond) would generate when exposed to, well,
anyone
else. Rather I like it when Bond stories show case studies in
exploiting
the friction in all sorts of ways from comedy to drama. Bond might exist in order to order Quarrel to fetch his shoes and note Quarrel's stalwartness to the point of facing down terror and death (asterisking, however, that Fleming's Bond never treated Quarrel likewise nor likely ever would; he tended to treat Quarrel as he would want to be treated himself, in the book). Bond gets to funnily
learn
that his powers of observation do him credit regarding Dr. Goodhead, and contrast "man talk" with the savior of his mission, and so on.
In other words, not even Ian wrote Bond to be innoculated from what happens when sexism, misogyny, imperialism, violence, sociopathy, fear, politics, prejudice, hatred, fetishization, etccontrast with a rapidly changing world. Rather, the oppositethat's where some of the best Bond storytelling resides.
SoI say the stories are supposed to be (in part) about how Bond deals with such stuff. That's actually where many of the good moments and lines happen, starting with Fleming's
Casino Royale
and its ruminations on culture clashes, paranoia, love/hate relationships, etc. Being sad about the suicide of one you both want to kiss
and
kill is good stuff. Please don't block me from it in favor of simpler material, because
that's
the stuff that graduates Bond from boring to interesting.
Or, maybe its all really about punching, instead. Just, that doesn't seem to be what Fleming had in mind.
Now, this is a signature gun, and that is an optical palm rea
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psychocosmic-1 — 9 years ago(November 11, 2016 03:22 AM)
Despite all nitpicking of characters and individualistic scenes, and even I can agree, in my demand of great musical soundtrack, that GE´s soundtrack is lowstandard. Still, what elevates GE is the production and the style in which it is packaged. It has an exciting PTS, a "classic Bond eerie" Main Title powersong, a fantastic (albeit CGI)Main Title Sequence, the film has a fine pace and some stunning action. Also, it gives me a really rewarding finale, in which I feel that I am truly, although it is 30 years after the true classic era, watching a Bond film for the older fans that really has a love for this whole stuff. I cant explain it more right now, but the typical criticism here for individual scenes, whether it is comical scenes or dramatic dialogues to put down a Bondfilm, is ignoring the wholeness of the film and its character.
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RichardTheBruce — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 05:21 PM)
It's a good Bond film, but I'm more likely to watch one of Brosnan's other three.
Just watched it last night, the score is part of what dulls itexcept for the St. Petersburg tank chase, for which the producers solicited another composer for an actual Bond-style theme. With good reason.
Eric Serra track (unused):
John Altman track used:
I like it but it's not one of my top favorites, and I don't consider it one of the very best Bond films. Saw it on its original release in theaters, but never played the game(s).
Something I noticed on the latest viewing: if released today I don't expect the hyper-sensitive section of the audience viewing the latest films (though they normally defend GOLDENEYE) would be so easy on this one.
In just the first few minutes the Bond theme for the gunbarrel is mangled and unrecognizable. OO7 offers to buy OO6 a pint (what the ?!?). And Bond and Trevelyan not only openly call themselves by name on a mission, they're literally yelling their given names in front of Colonel Ourumov and his soldiers.- Shut the door, Alec. There's a draught. Alec?
- Move out. Throw down your weapon and walk towards me, slowly.
- Finish the job, James. Blow them to hell.
- You have ten seconds. Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two
- For England, James.
But the catching-a-plane pre-title action works for me, the titles and title song are top notch, and we're off.
I'm motivated by my
D
uty.