Goldeneye Overrated????
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pking-2 — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 11:41 AM)
Did we really need to hear that in a Bond film?
Sounds like you'd call it unnecessary.
On the other handthe other options available are to cast a Judy Dench as M and write her so that she's
unaware
of Bond's history of sexist misogyny (or at least, for apologists, mere inclinations towards what can be misconstrued as sexist misogyny). Either that or refuse to consider casting a Judy Dench as a successor Mwhich would be a bit of sexist misogyny in its own right. Right?
Neither of which seems quite right either.
I'm not quite sure what to make of the strain of Bond fandom that seems to want Bond fiction to be a haven
away
from the friction that being like Bond (or at least, being like Ian Fleming's Bond) would generate when exposed to, well,
anyone
else. Rather I like it when Bond stories show case studies in
exploiting
the friction in all sorts of ways from comedy to drama. Bond might exist in order to order Quarrel to fetch his shoes and note Quarrel's stalwartness to the point of facing down terror and death (asterisking, however, that Fleming's Bond never treated Quarrel likewise nor likely ever would; he tended to treat Quarrel as he would want to be treated himself, in the book). Bond gets to funnily
learn
that his powers of observation do him credit regarding Dr. Goodhead, and contrast "man talk" with the savior of his mission, and so on.
In other words, not even Ian wrote Bond to be innoculated from what happens when sexism, misogyny, imperialism, violence, sociopathy, fear, politics, prejudice, hatred, fetishization, etccontrast with a rapidly changing world. Rather, the oppositethat's where some of the best Bond storytelling resides.
SoI say the stories are supposed to be (in part) about how Bond deals with such stuff. That's actually where many of the good moments and lines happen, starting with Fleming's
Casino Royale
and its ruminations on culture clashes, paranoia, love/hate relationships, etc. Being sad about the suicide of one you both want to kiss
and
kill is good stuff. Please don't block me from it in favor of simpler material, because
that's
the stuff that graduates Bond from boring to interesting.
Or, maybe its all really about punching, instead. Just, that doesn't seem to be what Fleming had in mind.
Now, this is a signature gun, and that is an optical palm rea
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psychocosmic-1 — 9 years ago(November 11, 2016 03:22 AM)
Despite all nitpicking of characters and individualistic scenes, and even I can agree, in my demand of great musical soundtrack, that GE´s soundtrack is lowstandard. Still, what elevates GE is the production and the style in which it is packaged. It has an exciting PTS, a "classic Bond eerie" Main Title powersong, a fantastic (albeit CGI)Main Title Sequence, the film has a fine pace and some stunning action. Also, it gives me a really rewarding finale, in which I feel that I am truly, although it is 30 years after the true classic era, watching a Bond film for the older fans that really has a love for this whole stuff. I cant explain it more right now, but the typical criticism here for individual scenes, whether it is comical scenes or dramatic dialogues to put down a Bondfilm, is ignoring the wholeness of the film and its character.
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RichardTheBruce — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 05:21 PM)
It's a good Bond film, but I'm more likely to watch one of Brosnan's other three.
Just watched it last night, the score is part of what dulls itexcept for the St. Petersburg tank chase, for which the producers solicited another composer for an actual Bond-style theme. With good reason.
Eric Serra track (unused):
John Altman track used:
I like it but it's not one of my top favorites, and I don't consider it one of the very best Bond films. Saw it on its original release in theaters, but never played the game(s).
Something I noticed on the latest viewing: if released today I don't expect the hyper-sensitive section of the audience viewing the latest films (though they normally defend GOLDENEYE) would be so easy on this one.
In just the first few minutes the Bond theme for the gunbarrel is mangled and unrecognizable. OO7 offers to buy OO6 a pint (what the ?!?). And Bond and Trevelyan not only openly call themselves by name on a mission, they're literally yelling their given names in front of Colonel Ourumov and his soldiers.- Shut the door, Alec. There's a draught. Alec?
- Move out. Throw down your weapon and walk towards me, slowly.
- Finish the job, James. Blow them to hell.
- You have ten seconds. Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two
- For England, James.
But the catching-a-plane pre-title action works for me, the titles and title song are top notch, and we're off.
I'm motivated by my
D
uty.
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finslaw2 — 9 years ago(November 13, 2016 08:23 PM)
Goldeneye makes all Connery films not called YOLT feel slow and dated, it improves on all Dalton films, and has a better balance than any Moore film. Yeah, not overrated. If you look up overrated the picture is Mendes's smiling face.