Which RPG is better? Skyrim or The Witchers 3; The Hunt?
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Chefeetaboopers — 10 years ago(December 07, 2015 04:52 PM)
I'm not even a big fan of either and I've played them both. I say Skyrim because I can make my character and go all over without being forced to play a bland and boring guy and without being forced to have to sexualize every conversation with a woman that I meet. Sorry, but Tris is boring and there is nothing interesting, in my opinion, about the Witcher characters. I prefer the Skyrim characters over them and even then I didn't feel those characters had much of a personality. I like how big the world is in the Witcher 3, as well as how pretty the graphics are, but that's it. I'm more of a Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age and Mass Effect and Neverwinter Nights fan.
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Grey-Phantom — 10 years ago(February 05, 2016 06:29 PM)
Seems like we have the same taste!!
I'm forcing myself to play witcher because of its popularity and i had already finished witcher 1 and thought the twist was great. But everything else gameplay, characters, storyline overall, were just sooo mediocre i find the game highly overrated.
I do love skyrim, but i never finished the storyline also didn't interest me enough.
The modding community made me love the game, but on its own, i couldn't play it.
ANYWAY, I've only played dragon age from the ones you've mentioned
Do you have any suggestion for a game with equally strong character development/interaction, and a decent storyline and gameplay? (I tried Mass Effect for 5 minutes but couldn't get into it, plus i heard people bitching about the ending should i give it another shot? Also never heard of Baldur's Gate) -
Chefeetaboopers — 9 years ago(May 29, 2016 02:24 PM)
@Grey-Phantom- I would suggest trying Mass Effect again simply because it's one of the few games in the style of Dragon Age. The Baldur's Gate series has won tons of awards and I really loved it a lot, so you might like it. Besides that series, other games you might find cool would be- Planescape Torment, Neverwinter Nights, Bound By Flames, Fallout, Fallout 2, and Kingdoms of Amalur: The Recknoning. They're only games I know of with character development/interaction as well as storyline. Gameplay-wise, some are top down and some are third person, but you might just find one you like.
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Grothendieck_s_Pocket_Healer — 10 years ago(March 14, 2016 10:43 AM)
Sorry, but Tris is boring and there is nothing interesting, in my opinion, about the Witcher characters.
Only if you judged them based on their appearance and sexual appeal and missed all of their meaningful interactions with the world. Triss is an old friend of Geralt and a member of the Lodge of Sorceresses. The conflict between her loyalty to an ideal, her conviction to protect the sovereignty of the Lodge and her infatuation with the Witcher makes Triss rather unpredictable at times. Every move they both made in pursue of the answer is morally gray and any "right choice" the player chose might simply be moving a pawn from one corner to another in a political chessboard. But I guess you missed all this.
This reaction reminds me of people who at the first sight of naked female on a bed think an adaption of Shakespeare must be porn. While other people who actually read and understand the lore of the Witcher series know that their characters have the same level of depth as ones of fantasy literature. The only game I've played that could come close in characters building and story telling is probably some late 90s interactive visual novel like Planescape Torment. I would still consider this classic inferior to TW3 simply because it tried too hard to push the anti-Tolkien tropes and lacked the interplay between political intrigue with mysticism that the Witcher novels and games excel at (for those who actually understand the story of these games anyway, not those who just click click to kill monsters and click click to see tits)
I can understand how the feminists or lgbt crowd, who are triggered by sexualization of females in any way, truly hated this game, because they actually have to roleplay a character from literature, and all his qualities became boring because for them the only interesting character is the one they could identify with. Trust me, with this view you wouldn't be able to appreciate a vast majority of human's creative works, aside from some very genre specific videogame like waifu simulator.
Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again?- Winnie the Pooh
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Chefeetaboopers — 9 years ago(May 29, 2016 02:46 PM)
Planescape Torment isn't a visual novel. It's an RPG like Baldur's Gate.
As for the character of Triss, I didn't miss any of that. I played for many hours and tried to find some part of her that I liked. I compared her to characters in other games like Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment, for instance, that seemed to be more fleshed out. To me, Triss had some personality to her, being a sorceress and all, but at the end of the day, I just felt like they went right back to her being a pawn for men. And, the fact that they needed her to just instantly hop in the sack within a few moments of gameplay kinda made me uninterested in her. So Geralt gave her a potion to help her out? Why does she instantly need to be like "Oh Gary Stu Geralt, whom every girl wants, you're my hero. Come here, big boy."
This reaction reminds me of people who at the first sight of naked female on a bed think an adaption of Shakespeare must be porn.
Oh, you're so funny. Ha. Ha. Only, this isn't the reason I acted like this. Sure, the sexuality from Triss was irritating, but that's not the reason I solely judged TW series. You just jump to conclusions to try to make yourself feel better and sound better. You see, I am fine with Shakespeare and nudity and sexuality and life in general. I prefer it to be done with good taste, but if it's crude, that's okay, too. The way it was done in the Witcher was just annoying and added nothing to the story. I looked past that and tried to judge the series based on the story and the characters. Those were boring. Plain and simple. You don't like it? Fine. But, don't just assume things because I didn't like Triss. All three games just didn't draw me in. Not everyone is going to like something. Take it or leave it. But, don't pretend you know how I think and feel based off of my opinion. I love complex stories and characters. I'm a huge sucker for weirdness and things that aren't all black and white.
I would still consider this classic inferior to TW3 simply because it tried too hard to push the anti-Tolkien tropes and lacked the interplay between political intrigue with mysticism that the Witcher novels and games excel at
Anyone who deems games like Planescape Torment and other classics inferior to TW3 definitely has an opinion I don't care for. I choose my games based on a number of things. Story is the biggest here and, I'm sorry you seem so upset about it, but the "The Witcher" series just wasn't good in my opinion. You clearly don't seem to appreciate the fact that the classics are some of the reasons your favorite game series has gotten to be the way it is. What came before something is usually used as reference or inspiration for what comes after it. The classics were inspired by Dungeons and Dragons. Seeing as your precious "The Witcher" series came out as novels around the same time as games like Planescape Torment, I'm sure it was also influenced by similar things.
Trust me, with this view you wouldn't be able to appreciate a vast majority of human's creative works, aside from some very genre specific videogame like waifu simulator.
Jumping to conclusions is funny. You try to make yourself sound superior to me, but you just come off as a douche. I have a huge list of favorites such as Dragon Age and Visual novels that include sex and adult themes, so sexualization has NOTHING to do with me hating on the Witcher. It simply has to do with the fact that I found the dialogue and story premise very boring and un-epic. Just because I can't identify with a character doesn't mean I don't like it. Geralt is a Gary Stu, plain and simple. He lost his memory, yet somehow can fight with his powers. Every girl wants him. Everyone he meets seems drawn to him. Sorry, but I prefer characters with actual layers and faults that aren't cliches or boring. So, go back and crawl into your hole and hide away if it irritates you that someone doesn't deem your precious Triss or the Witcher series as amazing. There are plenty of others who don't, either. -
Grothendieck_s_Pocket_Healer — 9 years ago(May 30, 2016 05:07 AM)
Good catch with Planescape, yeah I meant I consider it an interactive visual novel (in effect) because it relies heavily on written narratives to propagate the story. My rule of thumb is based on how little I have to care about other aspects (that aren't paragraphs of exposition) to complete the game. In games like Pillars of Eternity or Baldur's Gate, you actually need to care about combat mechanics a lot more.
The inferiority I talked about is more of a shift in standards, used to be, if you avoid any Tolkien races, and have a grim dark story with some philosophical ideas in it, you have a very original story. That hasn't been the case in the last decade, see Pillars of Eternity or Divinity Original Sin or Dark Souls. To write a good fantasy story now, writers shouldn't need to try too hard to be different from Tolkien, rather embrace the specific influences and add new layers to it. Just like originality comes from long periods of reflecting, a good writer needs to disregard the opinions of people who are obsessed with subverting fantasy tropes.
I just felt like they went right back to her being a pawn for men. And, the fact that they needed her to just instantly hop in the sack within a few moments of gameplay kinda made me uninterested in her
Nope she has never been a pawn for men. I mean you'd know who Philippa Eilhart is if you actually played the game. Also, the history of Geralt and Triss is an unorthodox one sided crush, the information could be found in act 2 in Vergen. Is the game sexist in portrayal of Triss ? it's arguable, but I shall concede and acknowledge that this is true. The way the writers handle Triss's character with no regard to the screaming feminists or political correctness is actually quite rare nowadays. I actually find what I said about you missing out on a large portion of classics in literature and fantasy a lot more substantiated now, if you are this up in arms about this specific type of "sexism". However, even in the romance aspect, the writing of Witcher is far from generic like Bioware's recent RPGs, (which I actually played), there are actually many moments in the games where, as Geralt, the player actually started to doubt Triss's motive, but then again, this requires either getting pass the prologue or understanding the story
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You clearly don't seem to appreciate the fact that the classics are some of the reasons your favorite game series has gotten to be the way it is
The only thing clear here is most of what I write next will be to explain what I meant in the previous post, but fear not, I am in the mood. I'm pretty sure I said something along the line of "The Witcher books were classics of Polish literature" and the difference is, story wise, the Witcher games were inspired by classics in literature, not in computer games, which are usually written by third rate writers.
To make the above assertion clearer, in this game, there are very clear homages to traditional folklores and an atmosphere of the old Slavic culture, from the music to the scenery, you can't find a similar level of authenticity in any other recent AAA games. I suggest you listen to this while reading the rest of my post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjziaxy2kOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8BAgLNPpDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiSeoX_4nzU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UENb3lLSQho
I also like your simplification of the characters, how you have no opinion on the politics, the mysticism about fate and the philosophical views that influenced the characters but are clearly very bothered by a specific gender role in romance (I don't "assume", but I observe that you keep coming back to the Triss Geralt relationship) and some fetch quests (?).
I could do the same thing with characters in works of Shakespeare or Tolkien or GRRM, huh Ophelia is just a basket case who caves in under adolescent pressure - that is boring and so cliche why can't she be a strong independent woman ? Jon Snow is another brooding Cloud Strife with a big sword, Sauron is another big bad evil overlord without any internal struggle or depth
The funniest thing is, I could do that without reading their stories.
In fact, the bulk of you critics is simply labeling the story by "boring, un-epic, etc". Macbeth is also pretty boring and unepic in the same sense, it doesn't have the generic setting of dragons and army of demons invading the world, it is a story of complex politics, machiavellianism and tragedy, like TW2, wars, politics and ideology of dying races and nations at the backdrop of the daily work and moral struggle of a monster hunter who tries his best to stay in a neutral path. That is probably not like LoTR enough. But stories like LoTR had been aped too many times to be found exciting, it is possible, but definitely not anything produced recently by the likes of Bioware, Ubisoft, Bethesda or Blizzard. Just compare the role of dragons in the story of these games: Skyrim, Dragon Age Origin, Dragon Age II, the Witc -
wolfgangvonposakilla — 10 years ago(December 15, 2015 09:28 AM)
Skyrim (the elder scrolls in general) has so many flaws and issues in areas where the witcher excells.
- difficulty
The witcher has difficult skill-based combat with a limited healing system. It's Challenging and satisfying.
Skyrim is a piece of cake. Before long you're one-shotting everything, and if you're ever in trouble you just hit pause open your menu and drink one of the zillion potions you've gathered. At around ten percent game completion you're already overpowered making the other 90 boring and unnecessary.
p.s.
I should mention I did play the witcher 3 on a higher than normal difficulty, so I don't really know how hard it is normally. However my brother Played Skyrim on master difficulty and only like 20 percent into the game he too was one-shotting everything. - Combat
Few games have succeeded in making first person melee combat interesting and refined, Skyrim isn't one of them. The best tactic in skyrim is usually just rushing your enemy and spamming attack. If you try to block or "fight clever" you'll just make it worse. In a nutshell combat in skyrim is pretty dumb.
The witcher is in 3rd person which allows for strafing and dodging, creating skillbased combat where there is actually somehing to master. It allows for more dynamic combat on a bigger scale. - presentation.
In skyrim you spend a great deal of time listening to longwinded monologues from generic NPC's for trivial quests. There's hardly any unique characters, way to few voice actors and almost none who do a good job.
The witcher uses a dialogue system that makes you a part of the conversation. The writing and voice acting is infinitely better and there's a ton of very unique characters. - General content and gameplay
Variation on quests and enemies is very limited in skyrim. Most of the time is spent in generic dungeons that go on forever, where you fight 1 or 2 types of enemies per dungeon in groups of 2-4 per room/corridor to fetch something and return it to the questgiver.
In the witcher there is almost nothing that feels generic. Loads of different enemies with greatly different attack patterns/styles. Many unique enemies. A variety of gameplay elements mixed in quests. Big scale battles - Immersion
The witcher feels "real", The characters, the politics, The scope of the game, the size of the city, the large amount of random NPC's.
Skyrim feels like a videogame. Whiterun is supposed to be the capital of Skyrim and there's like 10 houses and 20 people. The main city in the witcher 3 (Novigrad) is like 30 times as big. The battles in The witcher look like battles. In skyrim there's 10 people battling 10 other people at most.
I'm not saying Skyrim is a bad game. I was impressed at first sight and enjoyed it for a couple of weeks. But after a few weeks it got repetitive (same generic quests, enemies and dungeons over and over again), I felt I had seen everything the game had to offer even if I only did like a tenth and since there was no more challenge being completely overpowered I just put the game aside.
Skyrim offers some things that the witcher doesn't have: a high level of customisation and freeform exploration, allowing to play as yourself and not as a preset character. but the novelty only lasts a short time.
The witcher, while also having a few hiccups and missteps, is in general absolutely the more enthralling, challenging, refined and varied game.
Thus in my opinion making it better.
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Grey-Phantom — 10 years ago(February 05, 2016 06:16 PM)
Dragon Age origins is still my favorite. Though skyrim has an insanely immersive open world and the modding community really makes the game what it is now, I feel like DA:O character development and choices made it more worthwhile for me to play. I never finished skyrims main storyline Just never cared to
As for witcher 3. I'm in witcher 2 now, act 2. Never got around to playing it. Its not very appealing when you're a gay man and the female nudity to male nudity ratio is off the charts. I'm fine withgeralt being straight, but I would appreciate a penis here and there if there is going to be that much female nudity.
I have the same problem with GTA actually But the modding community helps. I wonder why there aren't that many mods for witcher.
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Grothendieck_s_Pocket_Healer — 10 years ago(March 14, 2016 09:54 AM)
The Witcher 3, it's not even close.
Better Story: TW3's story actually has some degree of complexity of philosophy and political intrigue, supported by well designed quests. Skyrim's side quests are repetitive and the main quests were too cliche, there was neither tension or originality. This aspect of both games has a vast difference that I am amazed people even think they are comparable.
Also,
Better gameplay.
Better graphics.
A fairer comparison would be between Skyrim and some Bioware game like Dragon Age: Inquisition.
Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again?- Winnie the Pooh
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Skyrider01 — 10 years ago(March 16, 2016 12:57 AM)
As ive played both, id go with Witcher 3, simply because its more playable, especially in the combat system. I was most disappointed in the more primitive looking combat system of skyrim 5 after play Witcher 3
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user-37-118581 — 10 years ago(March 16, 2016 03:25 AM)
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wildfire160 — 9 years ago(April 23, 2016 05:55 PM)
I`am playing both The Witcher3 and replaying Skyrim(to complete the dlc) atm ..
For me Witcher is better but only because as a newer game the graphics and gameplay are imo much better,however if both games had come out on a level playing field then I actually prefer Skyrims customization a lot more ,and the mods are way better too..
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timmyp-98035 — 9 years ago(April 23, 2016 06:07 PM)
Witcher 3, but both aren't that great. Skyrim (and all the other Bethesda) uses enemy level scaling which is an incredibly lazy from a programming standpoint. The stories in Bethesda games are really stale too
Play Dragon's Dogma over both.
PS: Yeah I know you think my suggestion is different, but I promise you there is at least a 50-75 percent chance you will greatly enjoy DD over those games. If you dont mind graphics, and can deal with early 2000 graphics, play Gothic 2 and forget the rest for awhile. -
TomsWindow — 9 years ago(September 12, 2016 01:05 AM)
Skyrim
The Witcher 3 is a game that tries to be both a story-driven and open world RPG, but in my opinion, it doesn't fully succeed at either of those aspects. Don't get wrong, Witcher 3 is a good game, but just not a great game in my opinion. First of all, the world of Witcher 3 for just felt kinda empty at times when you're not interacting with any essential NPCs and there isn't that much freedom. It's pretty to look at, but doesn't fully come to life for me in terms of immersion. I know lots of people will disagree, but that's just how I felt.
I also thought combat was pretty dull at times. In Witcher 3, pretty much all you do is spam dodge and slash. Very rarely do you have to switch up your tactics. Not saying that Skyrim's combat is great by any means, but it at least made up for its simplistic combat by allowing you to wield a variety of weapons. Whereas in Witcher 3, you can only use a sword, and that's it, which eliminates the possibility of creating any builds.
Not to mention if you are under-leveled for a particular weapon, you are literally incapable of equipping said weapon until you meet the level requirements. Even if your current sword is broken and you are at the brink of death, Geralt will not even attempt to use the higher level weapon. Oh well, I guess it's better to give up and die, right? Plus the amount of damage that you do with a weapon is confined to that level, which means that you will inevitably outlevel your weapon, therefore your weapon will eventually become useless to the point where regular enemies will be using better weapons, and you'll have to find one that matches your level. Even that special sword that Vesemir gives you at Kaer Morhen before the attack, eventually becomes useless, which is dumb and thus you can never grow attached to any of your weapons. Even Skyrim got this right, where as long as you are high level in your skills, you can do a lot of damage with essentially any weapon.
I also hated how the 5 choices that determine which of the 3 main endings you get, are mostly
the trivial and some near logically inconsequential interactions with Ciri. Like, whether or not you played snowball with her, or if you allowed her to indulge in her tantrum by destroying Avallach's lab.
Almost none of your actions anywhere else matters, and virtually no decisions can be made on the battlefield, making it impossible to alter your path in the climax. Every other decision that you make either have absolutely zero impact or are just briefly mentioned during the still epilogues, which was disappointing given that I kept hearing about how there are 36 different endings in the game, when it's really just minor variations on 3 endings. Not to mention I hated how the decisions determining the endings are completely black and white, which goes against this series' established reputation.
For example, a decision that is actually grey is in
the Baron. If you choose to free the spirit, then the spirit will free the children from the crones, but do so and Anna dies, and the Baron hangs himself. If you chose to kill the spirit, then the kids are assumed to have been killed, but the Baron and his family receive a better resolution.
Those are actual grey decisions, because neither are particularly happy both have pros and cons. I had hoped that the rest of the game would follow this structure but that's sadly not the case here, because all it amounts to are
the 5 interactions with Ciri that you would never have guessed were the major decisions where if you picked the wrong dialogue options 3 times, then Ciri doesn't make it out, and Geralt goes on a suicide attack, that's it.
Sorry for the long rant, but that's just how I feel about the game.
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Smokey_T — 9 years ago(September 12, 2016 09:57 PM)
Witcher's voice acting and characters were so god awful i did the intro tutorial got to the first quest place and gave up.
For want of a better word it was GAY.
Skyrim is pretty awful too in the voice acting department, but it only half as likely to make your girlfriend/spouse/significant other leave you when she sees what you are wasting your time on. -
ProOctane — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 05:31 PM)
As a franchise I'd say the Elder Scrolls over the Witcher series.
For a single title I'd go for the Witcher 3. Skyrim had a poor story which for me is just as important as game play in RPG's.
It was also a little too sandbox for me which isn't a bad thing but I always felt disconnected from the story itself whereas the Witcher 3 open world also never felt like it strayed to far from the main objective if that makes sense.
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Alexander_Joshua_Davis — 9 years ago(January 11, 2017 11:41 AM)
Skyrim without a doubt the openness of the game/freedom, detail in the world building, lore, dialogue, etc music/atmosphere.. lack of "edgyness" (Game of Thrones modern bullsh*t that preys upon basal and low level emotions etc)