The Zodiac Killer and The Most Dangerous Game
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boywonderpowpunch — 13 years ago(March 20, 2013 12:45 AM)
Well nice to know they were thinkin outside the box at least, I often thought of lots of little tricks like that. Ones that they could have used to catch Zodiac, that one seems weak though since there would be too much writing to go through and who says Zodiac even went to that showing or that cinema.
One thing that annoys me is that no one ever went under cover wearing a wire or followed the suspects for long periods of time. When Arthur Leigh Allen was at the top of the SFPD suspect list, according to the movie anyways, the detectives pounce on him, asking him incriminating questions, scaring him in a way that would make him act extra careful from that point on in the future. I think if they would have never mentioned anything to him, got the warrant, searched all of his residents and most importantly went under cover, someone could have got close to him, someone with a fake background similar to his, someone that could ease a confession out of him or at least get into area's like his residence, cars, ect very easily. Following Allen for a period of many months might have also been beneficial, see if he does anything at all suspicious. Although I do realize that this was a very long time ago and all we really have is biased history. Books and movies from second hand info, I mean who is to say what was really found and what wasn't.
Either way I think people generally, get caught up with the mystery of the Zodiac because he was cocky and did what we all kind of want to do sometimes, stick it to the man, the authorities, the establishment, we all obviously want him caught for what he did but I think we also kind of love to hate him cuz we all like to think were smart enough to get away with murder difference is he actually did and he is one of very very few who did it showing off. By looking at his letters and cards sent, you can tell he had such a dark humor, almost like Satan himself was rattling the cages of an other wise normal functioning society. In reality though, Zodiac was probably a pathetic loser who was very disturbed and who no one ever liked, especially females, thus why he killed couples and he only got away with what he did because it was the 1960's when to be honest, police work was not as professional, in fact there was probably a greater number of dumb cops than smart ones, I read a lot about cases, this and other ones where the cops just go into the crime scene contaminating everything, moving bodies, touching evidence with their bare hands ect. To top it off the technology of the era sucked, no DNA, no camera's, and probably lots more.
The scariest thing about the Zodiac case and the suspects however I feel is the thought that the suspects were all wrong, what if the reason they never got him was they never even came close, to me that is even freakier than circumstantial evidence. Although Allen has so much against him, think of the DNA found on the letter, in the 60's DNA didn't exist so he could have licked envelops all day and never had to worry, why would he get someone else to lick them, it's facts like that that make me doubt even the most popular suspects.
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The_Dying_Flutchman — 20 years ago(December 20, 2005 10:43 AM)
Ahh yes, but the Zodiac himself took his name from the killer in "Charlie Chan in Treasure Island." That Treasure Island was part of the 1939 World's Fair in the San Francisco Bay. Its the best of the Chan films with Sidney Toler. No lie!
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dave-1028 — 19 years ago(July 18, 2006 09:50 PM)
the Zodiac Killer was lured to Peabody, Nevada for their annual Summer Solstice Extravaganza and used for the once-a-year meal for the creature that keeps them from aging or dying. He suffered the same fate that many of the perpertrators of 'unsolved' crimes. Peabody solved them.
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dave-1028 — 19 years ago(September 29, 2006 04:31 PM)
Damn, I just changed a Title from Peabody, Nevada to Peabody AZ. Didn't know there was a Peabody, Az.
There is a festival competition looking for screenplays that can be shot in AZ. I should've looked it up. I lived in Arizona once and didn't know there was a Peabody.
thanks,
David O'Hara
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phishman42 — 18 years ago(November 29, 2007 10:31 AM)
actually, the movie IS based in fact, it is a movie version of the book of the same name written by robert graysmith who was portrayed by jake gyllenhaal (sp?) in the film.
while some facts were omitted, and some event chronology changed to help with the flow of the film, all of the facts presented in the film are true.
and as for DNA, there was no DNA sample to compare anything to. he was ruled out by comparison to one fingerprint found in the taxi cab of paul stine, but that was never for sure the zodiac's print in the first place.
pretty much, there was never any physical evidence of the killer, all only circumstantial, which is why they could not build a case against him (allen) as people usually are not convicted of crimes judged solely on circumstance alone. -
bmks — 18 years ago(March 22, 2008 04:08 PM)
Actually, the DNA does not rule him out. Many of Lee's friends have stated that he had them lick stamps for him, so that does not rule him out.
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bob_meg — 17 years ago(March 24, 2009 10:57 PM)
ExactlyAllen was an incredibly cunning criminal. There are over 30 pieces of incriminating (but circumstantial) evidence against him. he can be placed at or near the scene of almost every documented attack and was even positively ID'ed by victim Mike Mageau.
Yet to this day we still get the "oh, his fingerprints were never a match, the DNA was not a match, blah blah." Zodiac bragged of putting glue on his fingertips to disguise himself and Allen has been accused of the same by people who knew him, and the DNA test actually did match in one test but then subsequently didn't match in others, pointing to your theory of the licked stamps, which Allen's friends have verified he was known to ask of his guests.
Allen got away with it on his sheer sociopathic brilliance combined with police incompetance and miscommuncation.
I have to wonder about anyone who rules Allen out as a suspectthere is no other person with more circumstantial evidence piled against him. Anyone can be linked with a few pieces of evidence.you get to over thirtycome on! -
mikear70 — 16 years ago(April 30, 2009 05:38 PM)
Now, we know Allen isn't the Zodiac. I saw on Channel 4 today, when a woman has come towardsaying her father was the killer. You may be able to find it online. Get this, she claims she was with him during two of the killing. She was a girl and he lefted her sitting in the car. She heard gun shots later. When he return, she asked him about it and he said it was just firecracks. He died of cancer a few months ago. And his picture does match the drawing. She also says she still has the glasses to one of the victims. I'm going to search for it on Channel 4 and post a link.
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mikear70 — 16 years ago(April 30, 2009 05:45 PM)
I found a better link.
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GethinVanH — 15 years ago(March 24, 2011 07:49 PM)
In response to the woman saying her father was the Zodiac killer. She's a kook. She also claimed she was the illegitimate daughter of Jackie Kennedy. The identity of the killer remains unknown.
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/05/deborah_perez_and_the_zodiacjf. php -
Kevinbloodywilsonfan — 17 years ago(July 30, 2008 01:28 PM)
I'd take a Hollywood flick with a pinch of salt, even though it uses a lot of the actual case files, it borrows heavily from the book that fingers Leigh. All the evidence pointy to him are a mix of coincidence and circunstancial. He passed handwriting test, d.n.a and several lie detector test whilst he was doing time for child molestatiuon. I'm not conviced there ever was a real Zodiac, mmost victims can be directly linked to californian drugs cartels.
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dmh7-1 — 18 years ago(July 17, 2007 03:17 AM)
I think they pretty much knew who it was, but couldn't quite "make the case". The suspect died (of a heart attack) before they were able to interview him one more time, based on new information. Legally it remains unsolved, but there is little doubt they had their man.