or just true.
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MsELLERYqueen2 — 9 years ago(January 29, 2017 05:53 PM)
I wouldn't say that it's THE most overrated film ever. If I made a list of top 50 overrated films,
Citizen Kane
would make the list for sure, but there are others which deserve that title as well.Jim Hutton (1934-79) & Ellery Queen = -
MsELLERYqueen2 — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 03:15 PM)
For example, I like quite a few Hitchcock films more than I like
Rear Window
. Yet
Rear Window
seems to be a favourite among many film instructors. Come to think of it, if a mystery/thriller wasn't directed by Hitchcock, I doubt that the majority of film instructors would consider showing it to their students.
But anyhow,
Rear Window
would make my top 50 list.
So would
Saving Private Ryan
, which I have never liked.Jim Hutton (1934-79) & Ellery Queen = -
bruce-129 — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 04:07 PM)
So, you're saying "Rear Window" is more over-rated than "Citizen Kane"?
It's not one of my Hitchcock favorites, compared to say, "Vertigo".
I never considered "Saving Private Ryan" a classic really, or "Rear Window"
either, those also-run Hitchcock movie are more notables or favorites. -
theuserformerlyknownasfrantruff — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 04:51 PM)
Rear Window seems to be the consensus third greatest Hitchcock film (after Vertigo and Psycho) and shows up on top 100 lists a lot, so yeah, it's a classic. I agree it's overrated, though.
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theuserformerlyknownasfrantruff — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 04:55 PM)
Come to think of it, if a mystery/thriller wasn't directed by Hitchcock, I doubt that the majority of film instructors would consider showing it to their students.
I've never been taken film course, but I imagine film noir such as "The Big Sleep" and "The Third Man" or Jean-Pierre Melville's movies would be screened there. Tons of techniques to learn from those films.
Can't remember much from Saving Private Ryan, except that the bookends in the graveyard and the scene were that general quotes Lincoln to justify the mission should have been cut. -
clore_2 — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 05:46 PM)
I had one employee who took NYU film classes and he was introduced to Lang, Wilder, Siodmak, Ulmer and Preminger in a series about the impact of German impressionism. He and I would spend lunch hours together discussing the films as well as my offering additional suggestions based on non-emigres such as Hathaway, Neill, Norman Foster, Nick Ray.
It ain't easy being green, or anything else, other than to be me -
MsELLERYqueen2 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 12:54 AM)
Which 1920s and 1930s whodunits did he see?
The Ninth Guest?
Murder at the Vanities?
The Black Camel?
Eran Trece?
(Yup, there are great foreign language whodunits out there.)
Le Mystere de la Chambre Jaune?
(ditto)
Secret of the Blue Room?
The Thirteenth Chair?
The Thirteenth Guest?
The Cat and the Canary (1920s, 1930s)?
The White Cockatoo?
The Terror?
Mystery House?
While the Patient Slept?
Murder by an Aristocrat?
The Kennel Murder Case?
The Greene Murder Case?
The Dragon Murder Case?
And how about thrillers from that time period?
Murder by the Clock?
Seven Keys to Baldpate?
(I recommend the 1929 version)
Before Dawn?
The Unguarded Hour?
Or were these types of films beneath him?
I hope he's not one of those people who limits himself to predictable adaptations based on predictable Cornell Woolrich literature.
(
Rear Window
, plus several radio plays.)Proud to be Canadian! -
MsELLERYqueen2 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 01:00 AM)
I do beg your pardon. I forgot that hard-boiled detectives seem to be liked by film profs.
However, I was talking about whodunits. I was talking about isolated house/hotel/train films where some rich matriarch/patriarch is murdered for his/her money. Secret passages. Portraits where the eyes move. Maybe there was no rich old fart in the house. Someone else was murdered for another reason. And I'm not talking about the high-end adaptations, like
Murder on the Orient Express
(1970s). I'm talking about 1920s and 1930s B-movies such as
The Greene Murder Case, While the Patient Slept, The Ninth Guest
, etc. I'm talking about stars such as Lyle Talbot, Patricia Ellis, Dorothy Tree, Donald Cook, Ricardo Cortez, Robert Barrat, etc. I should have been clear about that from the start. (And yes, I know that
The Maltese Falcon
is technically a whodunit.)Proud to be Canadian! -
amyghost — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 03:11 PM)
Re: Is it cliche to say the most overrated movie of all time
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For example, I like quite a few Hitchcock films more than I like Rear Window. Yet Rear Window seems to be a favourite among many film instructors. Come to think of it, if a mystery/thriller wasn't directed by Hitchcock, I doubt that the majority of film instructors would consider showing it to their students.
But anyhow, Rear Window would make my top 50 list.
So would Saving Private Ryan, which I have never liked.Jim Hutton (1934-79) & Ellery Queen = Give it a rest. You know absolutely nothing whatsoever about 'film instructors' or film studies. You just spout the same cliches over and over that you've heard from someplace. You don't have the faintest idea of what's shown to students in these classes and your head would probably explode if anyone ever acquainted you with the variety of films that are studied in these courses. 50 Is The New Cutoff Age. -
col_rutherford — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 04:56 PM)
Whether or not something is "overrated" is subjective. The word is used when someone doesn't like something as much as other people do.
I think
Citizen Kane
is deserving of acclaim. It boasts great acting, writing, cinematography, editing, and production design. It has a bold and innovative visual style. The story combines a mystery with a complex character study. I personally find the film to be very entertaining. Despite the film's dark and downbeat themes, it has moments of humour and even a song and dance number.
It doesn't matter to me if people don't think that
Citizen Kane
is the greatest movie ever made, but if they believe it's not I am curious as to which film they think is more deserving of that distinction. -
preachcaleb — 4 years ago(March 22, 2022 08:38 PM)
Whether or not something is "overrated" is subjective. The word is used when someone doesn't like something as much as other people do.
Bingo. That's all it literally is. Some folks just can't handle that others' opinions differ from theirs.
So many stories, so little time.