I liked this better thanCameron's movie.
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TheGuyWithTheFeet — 12 years ago(December 17, 2013 06:49 AM)
Cameron's movie wasn't a remake at all.
ANTR is a movie about the Titanic. It doesn't share anything with the Cameron movie except the setting and a couple of lines of dialogue, which were included by Cameron as an homage.
Cameron is a fictional story set aboard the Titanic. -
joe_538 — 12 years ago(January 08, 2014 09:16 AM)
a couple of lines of dialogue, which were included by Cameron as an homage.
In particular, when Mr. Andrews is asked "Aren't you going to even try for it," while fixated on the clock. In ANTR, he gives the man who asked a cold stare as he slowly turns to him, in the `97 Titanic he turns similarly but faster, and with no close-up. -
MadTom — 12 years ago(January 08, 2014 09:22 PM)
As I mentioned in other threads on this board, on the night of April 14-15, 2012, I had decided to make a point of running a movie about the
Titanic
at the exact centennial, to the hour, of the collision and sinking. I decided to watch
A Night to Remember
instead of Cameron's movie because I felt this movie was far more respectful toward the real-life people aboard the
Titanic
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ceda790422 — 12 years ago(January 09, 2014 11:26 AM)
Just saw it and even though it's black and white and has basic era-related special effects, I LOVED IT, so much more than Cameron's movie as well.
Very well made, very respectful of the information available to the catastrophe, well acted and also loved that they included the Carpathia and Californian -
palisade-1 — 12 years ago(January 09, 2014 11:46 AM)
Cameron bought the rights to
A Night to Remember
in order to use some lines and scenes from it. Examples include, Andrews telling Captain Smith the sinking is a "mathematical certainty;" the shot where the funnel falls over and kills the young newlyweds (Cameron uses an almost identical shot, the character killed is Fabrizio). He admits to being inspired by the film.
Certainly, Cameron's film has wonderful special effects and they went to great efforts to reproduce interior scenes and decor with accuracy. I love the visuals, and the special effects that dramatize the sinking with greater accuracy than was possible in the 1950's.
However, as you point out, elements of the story itself are less believable. Jack and Rose were a distraction and not as moving (IMO) as the composite (based on real) characters in ANTR, like the man who softly bids, "Goodbye, my dear son" to his sleeping child; the real characters, who were portrayed with eerie accuracy Capt. Rostron, Phillips and Bride; the woman with the lucky pig. I thought the script/screenwriting for ANTR was significantly better than for
Titanic
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TheGuyWithTheFeet — 12 years ago(January 15, 2014 07:17 AM)
the shot where the funnel falls over and kills the young newlyweds (Cameron uses an almost identical shot, the character killed is Fabrizio). He admits to being inspired by the film.
The thing is though that the funnel fell and killed people in the water. That's historical fact. In ANTR, the funnel falls top down. In Titanic, it falls on its side and kills Fabrizio that way. In ANTR, you see the funnel giving way from the side and the camera is in tight on the newlywed couple. In Titanic, it's a long shot and a slow process showing the cables snapping and killing people then the funnel crumpling under its own wait and toppling over. So, he can say that he was inspired by ANTR, but the situation is based on an historical event and is completely different in its presentation.
He did use some dialogue. But just some dialogue in common doesn't make Titanic a remake of ANTR. If we want to say that it's a remake, it has more in common with 1953 or 1943 given the fictional love story that crosses class boundaries. -
palisade-1 — 12 years ago(February 01, 2014 04:09 PM)
I think only the OP suggested that Cameron's film was a "remake," and s/he might not have meant that literally. What is beyond doubt is that Cameron was not only inspired by that film (as he himself states) but that he incorporated dialogue and scenes from it, adapted to his own purpose, of course.
I found a fascinating little YouTube video comparing scenes in the two films:
and another short one on the making of ANTR with a brief shot of the letter Cameron wrote to Bill McQuitty thanking him for the inspiration for
Titanic
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mark_ward1 — 11 years ago(March 02, 2015 07:44 AM)
Has anyone ever made a fan edit of Cameron's Titanic where the scenes with Jack and Rose are cut out or at least minimized? I'm not sure if that's possible but I know fans have made edits of Star Trek the Phantom Menace without Jar Jar Binks.
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palisade-1 — 11 years ago(March 04, 2015 02:06 PM)
I don't think it
is
possible, because the film is
about
Jack and Rose, and
Titanic
is mainly the setting.
However, there is one fan edit I found that minimizes Rose and the romance and focuses on Jack:
http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/79-fanedit-database/ fanfix/650-titanic-the-jack-edit
Not quite what you're looking for, but it might be of interest. -
CCsito — 10 years ago(May 10, 2015 02:37 PM)
I have seen the three movies made concerning the Titanic (1953, 1958, and 1997 versions). I saw the 1953 version first on TV followed by the 1997 version in the movie theater and the 1958 version just recently on TV. The 1958 version was the most objective version of the sinking without the melodrama that is infused in the 1953 and 1997 versions. Yes, the human tragedy is a central part of the event, but those versions made it feel like the storyline of the primary cast members took precedence over the sinking. The Leonardo DiCaprio/Kate Winslet and Clifton Webb/Barbara Stanwyck story could have been transplanted to a different plot and still have been effective in another movie. The 1958 version gave a more complete picture of events after the ship had sunk by focusing on the ship and crew which I think makes for a more cohesive version of the event.
Do not confuse this movie with the 1942 movie with the same title. This movie is not a remake of that movie. -
baran_erik — 10 years ago(February 27, 2016 11:28 PM)
Titanic was not a remake of A Night To Remember. One was a telling of the story of the sinking, the other was a love story set on the ship. They both were fairly faithful in regard to the telling of the actual events.
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Woodyanders — 9 years ago(June 09, 2016 06:22 PM)
Agreed. This is the superior film about the Titanic because it astutely captured with heart-wrenching poignancy of the horrible human tragedy of what happened when the Titanic sank and took over one thousand lives with her.
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