George C Scott or Jackie Gleason?
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DrWhen — 12 years ago(August 17, 2013 03:55 PM)
It's not really a fair comparison because Gleason's character wasn't really a character in the dramatic sense. If the drama was about climbing a mountain, he would have been the mountain. It's a key element but not a developed character.
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kag2 — 12 years ago(December 05, 2013 08:54 AM)
Don't forget that while George C. Scott built a stellar career playing serious roles, the mostly-comic Jackie Gleason was also outstanding in The Hustler and a year later in Requiem for a Heavyweight.
Why didn't Gleason play more serious roles? -
swordofdoom-631-504444 — 11 years ago(August 12, 2014 07:10 AM)
Gleason should get some credit for performing almost all of Fats' pool shots himself. Willie Mosconi did the trick shots for the movie, and during downtime, Newman learned the fine points of pool from him, and by the end of production, Newman was a pretty darn good pool player. But Gleason was probably the best celebrity pool player of all time (although Tom Smothers could give him a good game).
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Forlorn_Rage — 10 years ago(August 29, 2015 08:10 PM)
Really? That's good to know. There was so much more cutting and editing during Gleason's parts, as opposed to Newman's, that I was wondering whether someone else too over in the cut shots of the pool shooting.
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johnm-dalton — 10 years ago(September 27, 2015 12:20 AM)
Scott's acting is fantastic, and Gleason's screen presence here is unmatched.
Hard to say. Scott refused the supporting actor nomination because he didn't believe in actors competing with each other. He may have had a good idea there. -
kag2 — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 12:01 PM)
Having just re-watched it, I might go with Gleason. His facial expressions and presence make the two scenes he's in, a great contrast to the obnoxious, trash-talking Fast Eddie (first match), and the angry (at Bert) but more focused Eddie in the rematch.
Also, watch Fat's facial expressions AFTER he concedes the last match, while Fast Eddie talks to Bert about refusing to be owned, and refusing to forget his lady. Fats is far more deflated at being "owned" by Bert than by losing to a superb talent in Fast Eddie. Fats has much greater respect for Fast Eddie, who at this point is standing up to Bert in a courageous, gutsy way that Fats probably wishes he had.
Still, I would rate George C. Scott the best of the three in terms of dramatic acting. Newman was also very good, and Gleason too, although I believe he only did two dramatic roles (The Hustler, and Requiem for a Heavyweight), and was excellent in both. -
afredfan — 9 years ago(January 23, 2017 09:13 AM)
Neither, both.
Older movies are best, since you get a plethora of great actors all together, something hard to come by today because of costs. I think Gleason gets the edge because much of his communication was through body language much more so than Scott. But hard to make a distinction for the award.
I hate individual awards for films, the art is dependent on many factors and singling out an individual is just plain silly.