Too Many Flaws To Be a Great Movie
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lubin-freddy — 15 years ago(February 09, 2011 01:37 AM)
I was at the 1964 Democratic Convention in Atlantic City, even though I was a kid. This was the year after JFK in Dallas, and I was able to walk almost anywhere in the Convention Hall, and got up close to several politicians, including Humphrey. I agree that the security was lax in the film, and yes, not entirely credible, but things were different then, and we can't compare with today's security.
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ConDeuce — 15 years ago(February 24, 2011 04:32 AM)
Have to admit it, but that "brianoh2" is correct about the flaws but NOT that it precludes "The Manchurian Candidate" from being a great film. The fact is that the film is flawed but still manages to be one of the most exciting, inventive, perceptive and funny films EVER made. As far as political thrillers, not one single movie since has matched "The Manchurian Candidate".
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DD-931 — 15 years ago(March 29, 2011 08:28 PM)
Try watching this film as a satire and some of you naysayers might get it. A very, very DARK satire, yesbut definitely a long way from the docudrama expectations some of you seem to base your criticisms on. Seriously, how can anybody watch the matchless garden party/brainwashing scenes without catching some of the almost Brechtian heights this film achieves? Another poster's brilliant observation about the liberal Senator's "milk of human kindness" pouring out as he diessame vein exactly.
And of course one of the most telling satirical ironies the film explores is the fact that McCarthism so totally undermined legitimate anti-communist activities with it's monstrously hypocritical totalitarianism and ludicrous degrees of paranoid accusations that McCarthy himself might as well have beena communist agent. -
Squeeth2 — 15 years ago(March 30, 2011 11:19 AM)
Have viewers overlooked the Oedipal relationship between Raymond and his mum?
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Sandro-88 — 13 years ago(July 20, 2012 02:57 PM)
I don't agree with the "flaws" you mentioned, in my opinion the movie just hasn't aged well.
For instance the fight between Marco and the Korean translator in Shaw's appartment. For a second I thought I was watching Inspector Clouseau duking it out with Cato.
Also I've been hearing a lot people giving Sinatra's performance grief but I'd have to disagree, though he's not a brilliant actor I love his performance in this film. If there was anyone who annoyed me it was Harvey, with that irritating posh accent and 40's, rigid style of acting.
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kelsey_153 — 13 years ago(November 13, 2012 03:20 PM)
Of all the posters on this board I agree with you the most, SandroSandro.
I had problems with the film, but they're probably due to my own taste and/or general mood before and while watching it.
Though it was so great to see that some of you resorted to ad hominem to further your viewpoint I'm not surprised the original poster hasn't responded. -
ObscureAuteur — 10 years ago(December 11, 2015 08:19 PM)
The only thing I had real problem with was Shaw using a revolver with a silencer when he kills Jordan and his own wife. That is not a matter of artistic license but a pure technical error (it is such inaccuracy still required by the code at that time?). It is a great movie. If you don't believe me, take it up with Roger Ebert when you get the chance.
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ObscureAuteur — 10 years ago(December 14, 2015 11:57 AM)
It's the use on a revolver which has a gap between the chamber and the barrel that negates any silencing (which I read is overrated and misrepresented in movies as far more effective than it really is anyway). Silencers belong on automatics where the path from chamber to barrel opening is sealed. At least that is my current understanding of that technology.
I have wondered if this was somehow required by the movie code in force at the time. The quaint idea that displaying such misinformation somehow protected the public from too much detail about something violent.
Anyway, the other so-called flaws brought up so far do not come near knocking this movie off its well-deserved pedestal. The same sort of thing comes up with
Dr. Strangelove
from military detail fan-geeks that complain the chain of command was a bit off or that Ripper was the wrong rank for his post, and such things as that. Like looking at the movie through the wrong end of a telescope. But they got the B-52 interior down so accurately from a single photo that it was feared it might become a security issue drawing unwanted attention from the U.S. government.
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AnthonySocksss — 3 years ago(October 01, 2022 07:00 PM)
the use on a revolver which has a gap between the chamber and the barrel that negates any silencing (which I read is overrated and misrepresented in movies as far more effective than it really is anyway).
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