Weak attempt at an appeal to authority argument. None of those people dispute the FACTS I cited, facts which disprove
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robert3750 — 10 years ago(January 22, 2016 08:11 PM)
So just what are those failure rates of current day computers eh?
Much lower than the
less
complex computers of the past, which is the point.
Electronic failure is not a false premise now, any less than it was in 1964.
What is false is the strawman premise you created. I never said there's no such thing as electronic failure, only that the facts do not support the contention in the film that more complex electronics are more prone to failure than simpler ones.
But the premise was meant to be fictional anyway.
Agreed. It's not reality.
I actually thought it was a vastly better film than Dr. Strangelove
Of course you can state your opinion, but Strangelove is rated more highly by people on IMDB and critics in general. -
LateNightCable — 10 years ago(January 22, 2016 09:43 PM)
Much lower than the less complex computers of the past, which is the point.
Now there is a straw man argument, as it is superficially plausible, but not easily determined to be fact.
Comparing an era where computers were used sparsely, and for relatively basic computation, to one which is essentially ruled by computers is basically apples and oranges One solid fact however is that complex systems today experience an exorbitantly greater rate of failure by their sheer number alone.
The crew of Apollo 11 and it's computer with 64 kilobytes of memory made it to the moon and back, while smart phones today which rival supercomputers from 30 years ago glitch out by the thousands. And their replacement ensures steady business.
What is false is the strawman premise you created. I never said there's no such thing as electronic failure, only that the facts do not support the contention in the film that more complex electronics are more prone to failure than simpler ones.
See above.
Of course you can state your opinion, but Strangelove is rated more highly by people on IMDB and critics in general.
The masses are highly impressionable idiots who's pop culture clouded judgement is not to be trusted,
Kubrick worship and all that. The average movie goer is waiting for someone of authority
to tell them what they like more.
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robert3750 — 10 years ago(January 24, 2016 06:32 PM)
Comparing an era where computers were used sparsely, and for relatively basic computation, to one which is essentially ruled by computers is basically apples and oranges One solid fact however is that complex systems today experience an exorbitantly greater rate of failure by their sheer number alone.
You're comparing apples and oranges by confusing sheer numbers with rate. The fact is that the simpler computers of an earlier era (ENIAC, etc.,) were extremely unreliable. ENIAC was down HALF the time. There is no way you can reasonably contend that the much more complex IBM 360 of 1964 had anything approaching such unreliability. Saying that there are "thousands" of failures (out of BILLIONS of smartphones) amounts to a failure rate on the order of one ten thousandth of one percent, far smaller than the much simpler IBM 360. Your own numbers prove my point.
The masses are highly impressionable idiots who's pop culture clouded judgement is not to be trusted,Kubrick worship and all that. The average movie goer is waiting for someone of authority to tell them what they like more.
That amounts to saying "I'm right because I'm smarter than other people on IMDB, and I'm also smarter than movie critics". That's not an argument. -
BrianRaess_Is_FinallyGone — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 08:31 AM)
Continuing
to argue over the span of almost 2 years, and making one post almost two years later to make that observation are two very different things. It's obvious you're too dumb to know the difference. Just like you're too dumb to understand the point of the quote in the movie. Making you the ONLY one in this thread who doesn't. No one is ever going to convince you of anything no matter how convincing as you're, obviously, too dumb to understand it. -
nashspacerocket — 9 years ago(June 16, 2016 09:45 PM)
A computer expert writes:
the computers in use at the time of failsafe by the military were mainframes using tubes. they used tubes because they are immune to EMP's unlike transistors. The us military used tube based computers much longer than civilian companies.
the tubes were more liable to burnout than transistors, but they knew that and were willing to put up with it, better to have one tube to replace than a fried mainframe.
secondly there is plenty of evidence (and papers) that the more complex a computing environment is, the more likely it is to fail, especially if you have distributed nodes, since the failure rate per node is the same.
there are other factors such as workload which effect failure rate, but none of them compare to complexity.
Pointless witty comment here -
RDrrr — 9 years ago(December 04, 2016 02:45 AM)
A confusion of evolution of systems (over time) with complexity of systems.
The point of evolving systems (progress) is to add capability and improve reliability an improved future system should be more reliable.
Complexity can be added in the 'now' for example, local 'simple' weather systems monitoring conditions 'outside' can have added sensors and control terminals for the entire neighborhood or city or state or country and you have a complex system with much more chance for failures.
A warning system making hard-coded 'decisions' can expand beyond the operators' ability to analyze, control or correct it in (real) time. The humans ceded control to a rigid non-correcting network, and system of procedures which made the humans ultimately at fault. -
LawrenceJoseSinclair — 9 years ago(July 16, 2016 10:34 PM)
Dr. Strangelove is perhaps the best comedy ever made.. it's full of hilarious presumptions.. like "We will choose them for their breeding charactistics, and at a healthy ratio to men, of, say, ten to one" and the classic "Men, there's no fighting in here - this is the War Room!"..
Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!
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