Terrible example for kids
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
Arimas01 — 14 years ago(December 12, 2011 10:59 PM)
I just watched this and actually paid attention for once. This is a terrible example for kids. The whole town, including Santa Claus treats Rudoulph like a sack of sh!t just for being born different. The other reindeer want absolutely nothing to do with him. His own father is embarrassed by him and even his mother offers him little comfort. The other reindeer make fun, laugh at him and won't allow him to play with them just because he looks different. They are so nasty to him that he runs away but later, on X-Mas eve, he returns home to find all the ones that initially treated him like sh!t are in a huge bind because of the weather. Then they notice how bright Rudoulph's nose is, which gives Santa the bright idea that Rudoulph's nose could guide his sleigh through the snow storm. Now that Santa realize he could use him, Rudoulph is welcomed back with open arms. Poor Rudoulph's self esteem is so low from being treated like an outcast and made fun of his whole life that he's happy to allow them to use him just to be accepted and liked. Really? Who wrote this? What message are they trying to send? Its okay to allow people to ostracize and mistreat you if you are different and let them use you to do the hard work while they take all the credit?
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sailorspysedna — 11 years ago(December 23, 2014 01:27 PM)
Do you know what else that person is sounding like to me? An overprotective one. Not a good one. It's best to ignore him and just enjoy the special. I agree; they did already apologize before they discover the usage of Rudolph's nose. I think that was a wise decision to put in the story.
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Arimas01 — 14 years ago(December 14, 2011 11:26 AM)
"PC mornons like the OP are by far the most inconceivably lame and annoying people on the face of the earth. Get a beep life"
A mornon, huh? Yeah, you're really stupid. Learn how to spell moron, you dummy. Why would you set yourself up like that? How hard is it to do a simple spell chk before you call someone else stupid? At the very least you could have googled the word. Come on lets spell it together slowly: M O R O N, Moron.
You are on my thread I'm not on yours, dummy. If I'm so inconceivably lame and annoying what does that say about you? Why would you take the time to respond to my post? Your time must not be that valuable. Get it together, MORON. -
pensivewon — 14 years ago(December 16, 2011 03:40 PM)
This indeed is a classic that I've enjoyed all my life and will continue to enjoy. My children love it too. However, the OP is correct.
I am certainly capable of enjoying a classic and recognizing that the behavior of the characters was really bad, particularly Santa and the coach of the Reindeer Team because they were supposed to set good examples.
The coach even told Donner that he should be ashamed of himself for having such son. Even as a kid, I was thinking, "What The !"
Someone replied, "Yea, right, like little kids are going to go out and treat someone differently because of a stop animation " Well, yes, kids can be very cruel and they don't even need stop animation for that. When kids see others treating people mean, it is justifiable to them. -
cluvonj — 14 years ago(December 17, 2011 01:07 AM)
I read on another thread someone comment that Santa did not actually say that. What he said to Donner was that he should be ashamed of himself. It seemed by that he was saying Donner should be ashamed by hiding Rudolph's nose with the disguise and allowing him to train or compete. But then Santa says "what a pity, he had a nice takeoff too". That does seem like Santa is alluding that Rudolph's nose interferes somehow with his ability to be one of his deer and early on when Santa see's Rudolph for the first time with the nose Donner tell's him he was sure it would stop as he grows up and Santa says "let's hope so if he wants to make the sleigh team some day." So that makes one think Santa believes something about having a red glowing nose keeps him from being able to guide a sleigh.
What also is bad is Rudolph's own father is ashamed of his nose and says "he will never make the sleigh team" which is why he tries to hide it with dirt. He also says other things which really makes it seem like he is a bad parent. He can't accept his own son unconditionally and this is definitely affecting Rudolph's self esteem.
ON top of that you have another adult, the coach who states his name is Comet also chimes in and tells rather cruelly "we won't let Rudolph join in any reindeer games". I mean what adult coach does that. They are supposed to set an example of how to treat others no matter what flaw they have and yet he states that. I really could not believe how many adults in that story treated Rudolph like an outcast. It is one thing for the other children reindeer to do it but the adults. -
sailorspysedna — 11 years ago(December 03, 2014 06:09 PM)
I agree with what you said about Comet, but I don't think Santa was a jerk, he probably thought Rudolph's nose was something babies might have that would go away when they were older; I don't think it's alluding to the fact it could prevent him from guiding a sleigh. I definitely do NOT agree about Donner. Donner still taught Rudolph what to do as a reindeer as a young buck (and his nose is uncovered), and he wanted his son to join the sleigh team someday,and told him self-respect was more important than comfort, and does tell Rudolph to go out there and do what he could. I think he had good intentions, but was way too harsh.
All I have to say about others who may hate on this
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novastar_6 — 14 years ago(December 19, 2011 11:39 AM)
Terrible example how? As others have said, you know who's right, and who's wrong. Why were all the elves mean to Herbie? Because he didn't do what everyone else did, but does that make him wrong? No it doesn't, and that's the way life often is, people don't appreciate what the outcasts have to offer, at least not at first. But there does come a time when their being different is going to pay off immensely.