Santa is so nasty and non-understanding
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chatanuga — 16 years ago(December 10, 2009 11:24 AM)
"If you watch carefully Burl Ives says they started to be nice to Rudolph and Hermy after the rescue at the cave but before the bad weather report."
True, but listen to Santa's tone of voice when he's about to cancel Christmas. Rudolph's nose starts to glow. In a frustrated/disgusted voice, he says, "Rudolph, could you tone it down a bit? I mean, that nose of yours." It sounded to me like he wasn't totally accepting of Rudolph's nose until he realized the benefit of using Rudolph to guide his sleigh. -
stevenackerman69 — 15 years ago(August 20, 2010 04:35 PM)
Well, it was shining in his face. That would be irritating to anyone. He was trying to explain something but was distracted by the shining nose at first, then realized the shining nose solved the problem.
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sailorspysedna — 11 years ago(December 03, 2014 05:23 PM)
Um, no. I don't see Donner as a jerk. He was trying to
get Rudolph to join the sleigh team and he did
teach Rudolph how to hunt and what to do as a reindeer.
He also told Rudolph that self-respect (respect for Rudolph himself) was more important than comfort. And notice how he encourages Rudolph to join the other deer at the games.
I think that he was just trying to do what was best for his son, but was a bit too harsh. And remember that he did apologize at the end. -
ExplorerDS6789 — 16 years ago(December 25, 2009 01:15 AM)
It's true Santa isn't depicted as the benevolent, big, jolly fellow he's seen to be. I think this depiction shows Santa as an imperfect human being. Sort of a henpecked, grumpy old man. After all, is Santa jolly ALL the time?
Sure he's flabbergasted at Rudolph's shining nose. This is unusual, so of course he wouldn't understand it and wouldn't foresee any practical use for it. After all, exactly how useful was Rudolph's nose before the storm? Even Rudolph felt bothered by it.
When Rudolph's nose is exposed at the reindeer games, I admit Santa was out of line for telling Donner he should be ashamed of himself.
The Elves Song Santa was clearly pre-occupied with other things on his mind, so they obviously picked a bad time to perform for him. Santa Claus is a busy man, don't forget. Planning all those stops around the world in just ONE night. That can't be too easy to do. On top of that, Mrs. Claus is nagging him to eat and eat because the children expect a fat Santa.
Santa's just being a critic. Harsh, but honest. Santa Claus would not lie.
Finally, Santa saying that without Donner he wouldn't be able to get his sleigh off the ground. That isn't being selfish. He's thinking about all the children of the world who would be disappointed without toys for Christmas.
In the end, "even Santa realizes that maybe HE was wrong." Santa is only human.
"We'll have to cancel Christmas" was basically his way of saying "cancel the trip". Saying "cancel Christmas" was more effective I guess.
You know, I wonder how he drops all his weight after Christmas is over. When we first see him, he's basically a skinny bean pole dressed as Sherlock Holmes. Maybe he gets liposuction. -
johandav — 15 years ago(December 20, 2010 06:36 AM)
"Santa Claus is a busy man, don't forget. Planning all those stops around the world in just ONE night."
Stops?!
The man just keeps flying his sleigh and has his elves dropping toys at random as they pass over houses. The only stop we see him make is when he shows up at the Island of Misfit Toys. That's another classic Santa moment - he's left these toys abandoned there, apparently for years, and when he lands the only thing he says is "Well, let's be on our way."
Good ol' Kris Kringle, the king of small talk.
Hmm . . . well, it needs work. I have to go.
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ExplorerDS6789 — 15 years ago(December 20, 2010 12:16 PM)
"The man just keeps flying his sleigh and has his elves dropping toys at random as they pass over houses. The only stop we see him make is when he shows up at the Island of Misfit Toys."
I'm guessing R/B did that for a number of reasons: time, budget, just needed a tag sequence. Don't forget, they only had a set budget to make this. Billie Mae Richards and Paul Soles were only paid $300 for playing Rudolph and Hermey respectively, so there was only so much they could do. Had this been made in, say 1975, they might have included a more detailed way of Santa delivering the toys. They only had so much to work with.
"That's another classic Santa moment - he's left these toys abandoned there, apparently for years, and when he lands the only thing he says is "Well, let's be on our way."
I don't think Santa even knew about the misfit toys. If you recall, Charlie-in-the-box says it's King Moonracer who searches the earth for unloved misfit toys and brings them to the island. Santa just makes and delivers the toys, he doesn't control whether or not a child actually likes them. -
BlonDeWig — 14 years ago(December 10, 2011 06:15 PM)
The thing about Santa not knowing about the Island of Misfit Toys is how can he not know?? He's supposed to know where every child in the world lives, and is therefore in every nook and cranny of the earth.so how does he miss an ISLAND every single year?
Not only that, if he 'makes the toys', did he make the misfit toys too? How did the train get square wheels? Who paired up a cowboy with an ostrich? I'm thinking backstory. Hermes wasn't the first disgruntled elf, there was another, one nobody talks about-one with a wicked sense of humor.
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ExplorerDS6789 — 14 years ago(December 10, 2011 07:08 PM)
"so how does he miss an ISLAND every single year?"
Because no children live there.
"Not only that, if he 'makes the toys', did he make the misfit toys too? How did the train get square wheels? Who paired up a cowboy with an ostrich? I'm thinking backstory."
Factory rejects. There could be many interesting backstories surrounding those toys. You could be right, there might have been some disgruntled elf or a very inexperienced one who made those toys. -
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sailorspysedna — 11 years ago(December 03, 2014 05:46 PM)
I agree; I now see King Moonracer as like a father sort of figure who adopts these toys. I think the kids who get these misfit toys will probably love them.
But I say geez, what is it with people of this generation acting like this and disliking the special saying "oh, everyone's a jerk!"? Are we becoming a bunch of overprotective crybabies?