new music score
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Hancock_the_Superb — 17 years ago(October 29, 2008 03:38 PM)
It's mediocre. I find the movie boring with the new score, to be honest, although I love the intro music and the Main Title. The old score's bad but in a fun kitschy way.
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Eric-62-2 — 14 years ago(December 29, 2011 12:37 AM)
To me, the new music score is bad just on general principle. To do this kind of change decades after the fact based on the subjective preferences of some Peckinpah fanboys is IMO as ethically wrong as someone deciding to colorize a B/W film decades later. The Main Title song is of course, the wrong tone for the beginning but Daniele Amfitheatrof IMO has gotten a bum rap for too long from people who try to look past the flaws of this film that were caused by their hero, Sam Peckinpah and who wrongly see him as a 100% victim in the battles he had with the producer and studio. The fact is that Peckinpah has to bear just as much responsibility for not insuring that the movie had a coherent final section (the absence of a final scene back at the fort IMO is just criminal; the shooting script never had one so it wasn't a case of something lost by the studio in their editing) and no changing in the score is going to fix that problem.
Peckinpah I would note hated the score to "Ride The High Country" but his fanboys aren't trying to get that score changed I would note. -
DarthBill — 14 years ago(February 21, 2012 04:10 PM)
The new score is better in tune with the atmosphere Peckinpah was going for than the original. The old score might have been fine for a John Ford picture but it didn't mesh well with Peckinpah's atmosphere.
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Eric-62-2 — 14 years ago(March 06, 2012 08:31 AM)
I don't believe Peckinpah's vision on this point is entitled to that kind of deference because truthfully, it was Peckinpah who screwed up the picture most by not making sure a final act was written that provided some narrative cohesion and conclusion (like having Dundee and the others return to the fort and letting us find out if he was hailed as hero or disciplined for excess action).
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Eric-62-2 — 12 years ago(April 03, 2013 03:19 PM)
I have now come to despise everything about the replacement score, especially now that the Peckinpah fanboys who came up with it in the first place have now seen to it that the Blu-Ray will not give you the option of seeing the extended cut with the original score. In short, if you prefer seeing this movie with a score that reflects the era this film was made in, and was part of its production history, you are forced to watch a compromised cut of the film minus the key scene that (1) explains just what the heck are they doing to finally take on on the Apache AND (2) clears up the mystery of what happened to the scout and whether he was a traitor or not.
Giant thumbs down to Twilight Time for this condescending approach (and a bigger thumbs down to those who came up with the replacement score in the first place; I suggest that in the interests of consistency they get the score for "Ride The High Country" replaced since Peckinpah was also known to hate that). -
Eric-62-2 — 11 years ago(April 27, 2014 09:17 PM)
My recommendation for sticking it to the fanboys is don't buy the Blu-Ray, stick to the DVD which lets you see the extended cut (which has a better narrative) with the original score. In short, you get to see the original preview cut from 1965 as it properly should be seen.
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pete-293 — 11 years ago(September 29, 2014 09:01 AM)
I hate the new music. it clashes with the film-not enhance it. I have the DVD but I don't see anything on it about the extended cut with the original score. that would be ideal.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain (Isaac Asimov) -
ajohms — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 07:06 PM)
Just reading your comments today for the first time and I couldn't agree with you more. I've loved the movie since first seeing it in 1966 and the new score just does not fit. There is no sense of excitement whatsoever. I got the impression I was listening to a score for an old silent film. Glad to see I'm not the only one so viscerally opposed to it.
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Eric-62-2 — 5 years ago(October 02, 2020 07:42 AM)
The Caliendo score was perhaps the most idiotic exercise of fanboy vandalism perpetrated on a film. Especially since the fanboys responsible for it were also responsible for spreading the lie that the long cut of the film never had the original Amfitheatrof score and thus, they were "restoring Peckinpah's intentions" by giving us this long cut with a new score.
That was crap. As Glenn Erickson pointed out, the long cut was the original Jerry Bresler approved cut of the film that played overseas in previews before its US release and it HAD the original score. Then Columbia hacked it down further for US release. The proper presentation of this film should be the long cut with its original score. But if people are so desperate to hear a fanboy score written 40 years later, at least let those of us who don't want it hear the original score with this cut as it was on the DVD release.
But alas the fanboys in their zeal to rewrite history and present themselves as the self-appointed saviors of the Peckinpah vision, which meant presenting the preview cut ONLY with their fanboy score, decided that for the Blu-Ray release that those of us who prefer the original score should be stuck with the now worthless hack job of the theatrical cut, which is missing two pieces of key narrative the original producer cut had (The fate of Riago and the strategy for beating the Apache) despite the fact for 8 years we had the DVD release with the ability to hear the score on the long cut. The spokesman for Twilight Time (he has since passed away) tried to polish this turd of a release by saying it was "win-win" for everyone when it was anything but. After 2005 and the DVD release, the theatrical cut should have been buried and forgotten for all time.
The good news is that Glenn Erickson has rescued this film from the lies the fanboys cloaked it in and we have a new HD Blu-Ray master of the preview cut with the right score restored as an option that's been released in Germany and Australia. The latter is region-free so it's possible to get it and let it take its place in place of the crap release Twilight Time put out.