Mirror Mirror
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jxh13 — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 03:38 AM)
The Kzin Empire weas the only one able to maintain their empire for so long but even they eventually fell.
Do you truly mean Kzin, Bob? In Niven's Known World, the longest lasting empire was ruled by the Thrint, known as the Slavers. I don't recall the Kzinti Empire being particularly long-lived.
Anyway even though they had her double her always felt bad for the character.
Yeah. It's hard to see things going well for Marlena, unless she does join Spock's (speculative) Revolution.
In
Star Trek
terms, the Roman Empire in "Bread and Circuses" had presumably lasted some 2,000 years.
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DaytonaBob — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 02:37 AM)
The Kzin Empire lasted like it did due to the same things the Klingon Empire did which was a strict adherence to a code of honor and caste system.
The Thrintum kept control through mind control. Hardly the same thing.
Although it is interesting when I was watching the new reboot of Star Trek Beyond when the bad guy mentions fighting in the Kzin wars about dropped my popcorn even though it was mentioned in the animated series which I never took to remotely resemble canon.
When I first saw the animated series I was floored to see an entire episode with the Kzin in it. The Slaver Weapon or something like that.
But promotion through assassination would make the Enterprise not make it past the Moon as everyone would be killing each other to be Captain. Same thing in the episode in Star Trek Enterprise when the linguist ended up being the mean bich at the end.
Got to go read up on that whole thing.Haven't seen many Man/Kzin wars in a long time. Hope we see something about the Man/Kzin wars in ST upcoming.
Surprised Saberhagen didn't sue over the Borg as their idea is so similar The Berserkers series.
They who give up liberty to
obtain a temporary safety deserve
neither liberty or safety -
kerryedavis — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 03:24 AM)
Well, there might be other sci-fi "villains" that are close to the Borg, but I wouldn't refer to the Berserkers. They were all machine, not cyborg at all, and were only after exterminating all life forms, not "assimilating" them to gain any technology or what-not. In that sense, the Berserkers were more in line with the original Cylons, before PC crap and etc got hold of that story line for the "re-imagined" crap.
And the Kzin should never have gotten crossed into Trek. Not even once, for The Animated Series (TAS). It's one more reason, if anyone needed one, to just totally ignore the "reboot" "Star Trek" movies that aren't really Star Trek at all. -
DaytonaBob — 9 years ago(November 24, 2016 11:33 PM)
I understand where you are coming from with regards to interjecting an entirely separate science fiction universe but the idea of another very warlike race out there is, to me at least, pretty interesting in a different quadrant of the galaxy as it appears the Klingon Empire is now at peace with The Federation.
There are a few other belligerent races but the Kzin were especially nasty. They ate their prisoners.
Regarding the Berserkers.
I guess if you really take a leap they did do a version of "assimilation"
In the books there was "Goodlife" who worked with the Berserkers to the point, sometimes, of being reduced to nothing more than brains kept alive to help the Berserkers and "badlife" who were the enemies of the Berserkers.
Still think so, as the problem is IF the Borg assimilated EVERYONE in the galaxy no matter how long it took. THEN WHAT? Self destruct?
Prepare for a VERY long trip to the nearest Galaxy, Andromeda which is a few millions light years away? Two and a half million give or take.
IF our galaxy, the so called Milky Way galaxy is about 120 THOUSAND light years across and takes 75 years at Warp 9.9 or close to it (actually if they could do Warp 9.9 constantly the trip would be around 4 years)to just go from one section to the next onewhat would the Borg do?
So irrespective of how fast they can go.unless they find a wormhole between galaxies they would be traveling for a very long time. Which to them..well they do need to replenish supplies to keep everyone alive could probably be done but take so long why bother.
ANYWAY, I just think it would be okay to have a quick flashback to the Kzin wars they talk about.
They who give up liberty to
obtain a temporary safety deserve
neither liberty or safety -
BenjiCarver — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 02:55 PM)
I saw this on BBCA the other night. Still a very enjoyable episode. Couple of thoughts.
- The makeup on Sulu's scar is awful. I know it was a product of its time, but its distracting. OTOH, Spock's beard remains awesome.
- The AU uniforms for females left little to the imagination. Nichelle Nichols was in incredible shape as was the actress that played Marlena. Yowza!!
- Shatner's scene as the AU Kirk was top notch hamming. Not as good as the "You will obey my orders" tantrum from Turnabout Intruder, but enjoyable.
- Again, the stunt doubles should have gotten acting credits as their faces were quite visible.
I call woo woo on you,
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ronaldt49 — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 02:46 PM)
Had forgotten about "Turnabout Intruder" tantrum. Did he and JL swap bodies when it may have been her "time" as it were? If her hormones also swapped to his body, that would explain the tantrum.
Catch Shatner earlier in his career such as Twilight Zone, Alfred Hitchcock's shows, Thriller, etc. and you'll see much of what he displayed in ST. Sometimes I'll close my eyes in these programs and I see Kirk doing the lines. -
kerryedavis — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 03:23 PM)
Or maybe he was cast in those roles - some of them, anyway - because they were looking for exactly his type of acting/character. It doesn't really make sense to give someone an acting role where they have to act totally opposite of their normal personality, whatever that might be.
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jbaker1-2 — 4 years ago(July 12, 2021 01:36 PM)
It doesn't really make sense to give someone an acting role where they have to act totally opposite of their normal personality, whatever that might be.
Actors do that every day, or at least
good
ones do.
There are 8.2 billion people in the world. 8.19 billion of them have never heard of and don't give a fuck about Charlie Kirk. Get over it. -
grizzledgeezer — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 08:38 AM)
I really dislike parallel universe / parallel planetary evolution,
etc
,
etc
,
etc
, because one has to explain how two things can be simultaneously like and not like each other.
I have to admit, though, that the
Star Trek Continues
episode "Fairest of Them All" does a fine job tying everything up in a way that's both logical and dramatically engaging. -
ben-thayer — 9 years ago(January 26, 2017 06:03 AM)
I really dislike parallel universe / parallel planetary evolution, etc, etc, etc, because one has to explain how two things can be simultaneously like and not like each other.
I won't argue the Geezer's point here, but Mirror Mirror is tremendous fun. I find it vastly entertaining.
As with all my Trek, I don't try to put it under a microscope too much as things tend to fall apart.
But in terms of pleasure, for me it's pure joy. -
Mafti Patel — 5 years ago(July 03, 2020 07:45 PM)
In this one movie, when Kurk is come to the bridge, everyone is stand up and salute and I wish to know who is fly the ship when Kurk is arrive, hana !?
Hallo buna. I see what u mean to say. If y watch it 2:25 for 2 second no one is control the ship, hana
