City On The Edge Of Forever
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narnia4 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 03:40 PM)
That could be it, along with the practical concern of getting everybody through a hole that was only so big.
You could also take it as a small dramatic moment. The crew that was left behind doesn't know whether Kirk and Spock succeeded or failed, so there's a short beat before they realize that the mission was indeed successful. -
Sunshine62 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 08:07 PM)
by kerryedavis
I thought of that too, but the Guardian seemed to be saying that they would only be returned if they succeeded. At least that's how I took it.
So they should have known right away.
Not necessarily
Kirk and Spock's mission was to undo what Bones had changed : that is save Edith .
Kirk was able to stop Bones because he was close by and he forcefully held Bones back.. Had Bones been able to free himself , He may have still tried to save Edith and both could have ended up being killed.
In this case history would have been restored but Bones would have been dead.
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kerryedavis — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 11:43 PM)
Okay as far as bringing McCoy back too. But the fact that Kirk and Spock returned, as indicated by the Guardian, meant they had succeeded in the overall mission. And frankly if McCoy had had to be sacrificed to achieve that goal, they would have had to do it.
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Sunshine62 — 9 years ago(October 14, 2016 03:57 AM)
by narnia:
You could also take it as a small dramatic moment. The crew that was left behind doesn't know whether Kirk and Spock succeeded or failed, so there's a short beat before they realize that the mission was indeed successful.
by kerryedavis:
I thought of that too, but the Guardian seemed to be saying that they would only be returned if they succeeded
Exactly seeing Kirk and Spock return meant that they had succeeded in undoing what Bones had screwed up but it didn't necessarily mean that they had been able to save Bones in the process
..so , as Narnia pointed out , having Bones jump a hand full of seconds after created a brief moment of suspence( at least for the crew left on the planet waiting.)
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Jennie_Portrait — 9 years ago(October 16, 2016 11:52 AM)
Doug
Thank you! The problem is that it is not clear at the time of an event's occurrence what the impact will be.
Put it this way, you trying to draw a right angle. But instead of 90 degrees, you draw a 92 degree angle. Up close, the difference is imperceptible. But if you extend the line out very far, the results are dramatic.
It is the same way with time. I often wonder when I watch a time travel story, how can time travelers even eat anything? Think of it. If a time traveler eats or drinks something, then it takes away from what is available for the other people who are supposed to be there at that time. Let's say a time traveler eats the last piece of bread for his sandwich. This forces someone to get more bread, perhaps engaging in a commercial transaction at a different time than would have taken place. And that sets in motions a completely different sequence of events.
Never say never
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movieghoul — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 10:50 AM)
Yes, that's the butterfly effect as vividly demonstrated by Ray Bradbury in SOund of Thunder. Or Isaac Asimov's classic novel THe End of Eternity where professional time travelers deivse absolutely trivial time changing events, like someone missing a phone call, that produce desirable huge impacts on the timeline, possibly many years later.
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kerryedavis — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 03:29 PM)
They're interesting stories, but I would like to point out that writing a story where something happens, doesn't really "demonstrate" anything in real life. Especially when it comes to time travel which may end up not even being possible.
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gerryhanson — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 07:35 PM)
I think it was because McCoy actually arrived later in the past time than Kirk and Spock, even though he jumped through first. But I guess he should have jumped back first and arrived back later than Kirk and Spock. Somewhat like
All Our Yesterdays (1969)
they retun the same way they left.
I will say in all these years I've watched over and over since I watched the original run of TOS as a teen I have never thought about it.