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WarpedRecord — 16 years ago(May 23, 2009 12:16 PM)
Oh, darling Mavvy-Chin, you are welcome to follow me to the ends of the earth. As long as we have excellent films like this to keep us company, this world will have been worthwhile.
As for why men would fancy seeing two (or more) women going for a roll in the hay, I am as far as they come from an expert on sexuality, human or otherwise, but my theory is it strokes their libido while they stroke something else because it allows them to see women as purely sexual creatures who cannot control their urges. I suspect they also fantasize being in the middle of this girl-on-girl action.
Mind you this is NOT my perception or fantasy and not the reason I watch films like this. Like you, I love Aldrich's films, and this is one of his finest, perhaps second only to "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?" That film, of course, has it own appeal to men, and for different reasons. "Sister George" features one of the boldest "bull-dyke" performances ever by the late great Beryl Reid, who completely made the character her own, probably to the point of damaging her future career options because she was so convincing.
Interesting you should mention "Notes on a Scandal," because I kept thinking of Dame Judi Dench's character while rewatching this and wondering how much she was inspired by Beryl's bravura performance. I suspect quite a bit though I'm not sure Judy even played a lesbian in that film or just someone who had no capacity to love anyone but her cat.
And yes, I'm familiar with the gay and lesbian community's objections to this film as sending the "wrong" message, but what a powerful message it was and how brave of Aldrich and Reid and the rest of the cast to portray this message onscreen. Stereotypes have a basis in reality, after all, and this film isn't a documentary anyway but a look at one very sad, very abusive, very addicted aging lesbian. I'd watch it again in a heartbeat and defend this as one of the most important films ever made. -
Loomis_Orange — 16 years ago(May 24, 2009 03:12 AM)
Oh Warped - I read your post carefully and you let the cat out of the baaag (so to speak) You said you "watch movies like this" I'm shaking my finger at yuuuuu.
I watched something tonite called live nude girls or something like that. It starred Dana Delaney (I love her) I forget the name of it but there were lesbian scenes in it and I thought of how I felt about such things. I started to laugh hysterically! the male fantasy of lesbianism has always made me laugh. It's so. misguided and simply could not be farther from the actual truth as to why two women would have sex with each other.
Dear Men In General - I have a sharp pointed needle between my fingers - Plink bling .. poof.
Women have sexual contact with each other because they each find the female body more attractive and desirable than the male form and no amount of waxing and buffing, even sodering, could ever change that! Women do not like the feel of a fake breast so it's alright not to have those those melon-type bags of saline or whatever it is. Women do care about the woman behind those big plastic bags tho. It's dangerous. Women do not expect other women to endanger their lives in order to make their lovers "juiced"! The sagging is alright too, even hairy legs on occasion and there is no need to "shave down there" to make "it" more palatable. Don't expect their women to exersize like mules and deprive themselves of necessities like cheesecake and milkshakes and pizza! Even the gray hairs don't matter. I am not a lesbian BUT I am a pissed off woman so maybe that makes me a bull dyke in training! (wink)
Whither goest thou, America, in thy shiny car in the night? ~~ Jack Kerouac -
WarpedRecord — 16 years ago(May 25, 2009 12:20 PM)
Now that's the right attitude, Mavvy! Should you ever find the urge to cross over, I'm sure you'd find more than a few lasses willing to give you a try. I subscribe to a site called Awful Plastic Surgery that shows the horrors of going under the knife.
Regarding "lesbian" scenes in mainstream films, these appear to be rarely on the mark and serve mainly to perpetuate the straight male fantasy of what woman want from each other. I guess filmmakers are more interested in following the dollar than telling true stories.
Did you ever see that movie Gena Rowlands made with Jane Alexander, "A Question of Love"? I saw it when it aired on TV, but I'd love to get my hands on a copy.
And speaking of Dana Delaney, I share her birthday. OK, this rambling has gone on long enough. Time for some cheesecake and pizza! -
Loomis_Orange — 16 years ago(May 25, 2009 05:45 PM)
I have never seen that film with Gena and Jane - Must look it up. I think it sounds familiar tho I will check out the surgery site. I dig looking at the end product of too much botox and surgery on famous people but they deserve it! (clink)
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WarpedRecord — 16 years ago(May 25, 2009 06:56 PM)
Here's the link:
http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/
The site's awkwardly designed and kind of hard to navigate, but I get their daily RSS feeds, which makes it easier. Lots of sad before and after shots of former beauties like Meg Ryan and Cheri Oteri. I'd write more, but I'm at work now -
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chrismartonuk-1 — 16 years ago(June 08, 2009 11:32 AM)
Men enjoy watching women having lesbian sex (only if they resemble Playboy bunnies mind!) because they can watch naked women having uninhibited sex without any male dangly bits getting in the way and spoiling the view.
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preppy-3 — 16 years ago(June 09, 2009 07:24 AM)
"Men enjoy watching women having lesbian sex"
Not all men. I'm a gay man but I've had two str8 roommates who have zero interest in lesbian sex scenes. One of them used to watch "The L Word" on On Demandand fast forward through the sex scenes! Also I've asked str8 male friends about it and most of them have no interest in lesbian sex scenes. So it seems quite a few guys don't like them. -
hockeyhrs — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 10:09 PM)
There's long been debate about whether gay people are
(a) born (it's in their DNA)
vs.
(b) made (it's caused by events that occur in their childhood)
Either way, very few argue that gayness is a considered CHOICE that one adopts after a careful trade study. They just are that way either by DNA or environment, and we leave them unburdened by volition in the matter.
So why isn't the same reasoning applied to homophobes? i.e., Either Mr. DeVol was (allegedly) homophobic by nature, or he learned it from older people in his environment (and there was nobody of the non-homophobic persuasion to disabuse him of those ideas).
In other words, why do we let gays be pawns of the random forces in nature/society, but we act as if the anti-gay (homophobes) are masters of their universe and can control their feelings 100%?
And why should musicians be less vulnerable to queer-hatred than non-musicians?