Her reaction to the rape is so shocking
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BeOneOfUs — 10 years ago(February 22, 2016 04:34 PM)
This is widely known as a supernatural horror film.
You theory makes the entire thing much less scary.
I don't know whether the directer actually wanted people to perceive it that way or not but I am certainly not going to lol. -
kaskait — 10 years ago(February 29, 2016 11:02 AM)
I don't know whether the directer actually wanted people to perceive it that way or not but I am certainly not going to lol.
Polanski says pointblank in TWO documentaries on the making of the film that the dual narrative was what he intended. I don't see how he can get more up front than that other than calling up each of the film's fans himself to say it over the phone. -
fiatlux-1 — 10 years ago(March 02, 2016 02:44 PM)
I've never heard Polanski say this, but if he did, it makes no sense.
He has clearly stated that he tried to be as faithful as he could be to Ira Levin's novel. The film is even widely known as one of the best adaptations of a horror novel!
So if Polanski did say that, he's more off his nut than everyone already can tell he is.
I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
Penfold, shush. -
fiatlux-1 — 10 years ago(March 14, 2016 07:03 PM)
Well its safe to say the novel author NEVER intended it to be anything but supernatural.
And I HAVE heard Polanski say that he 'tried to be as faithful to Levin's novel as he could'.
He contradicts himself then, if he says anything to the contrary.
The novel & film Rosemary's Baby are both supernatural. If you want to believe otherwise, then by all means go ahead.
Polanski is a nutbag. A criminal one, to boot.
So I don't take anything he says too seriously.
I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
Penfold, shush. -
kaskait — 10 years ago(March 17, 2016 06:47 PM)
Polanski was true to Levin's book. Levin also included reasonable doubt into his storyline. Especially since, yes, everything is in Rosemary's POV.
Again if the film and the book had at least one 3rd person scene, omniscient view scene we would all have definite knowledge whether or not Rosemary's story was psychological or supernatural. We don't. So everything is suspect. -
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kaskait — 10 years ago(March 17, 2016 06:44 PM)
It doesn't have flaws. It is craftily designed to leave out information in which you the audience member fill in with flights of fancy.
All evidence of witchcraft is created by the viewer himself/herself based on Rosemary's very questionable POV. -
knight-in-black-leather — 9 years ago(May 03, 2016 07:27 PM)
It doesn't have flaws. It is craftily designed to leave out information in which you the audience member fill in with flights of fancy.
All evidence of witchcraft is created by the viewer himself/herself based on Rosemary's very questionable POV.
I have to disagree. There are far too many "coincidences" for this to be simply a product of Rosemary's mind, in fact, she even doubts there even ARE witches in existence.
Also remember, there's a scene at the end where we see the bassinet and there's an upside cross (possibly a crucifix) hanging over it. Also, why are there so many people "concerned" with the baby unless they are all part of the coven?
IMHO, the film leaves no ambiguity about the coven being involved and the baby being the offspring of satan.
I understand Polanski may not have wanted it to come across that way, but he shouldn't have included so many obvious scenes if he wanted to leave it more ambiguous.
Take care
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kaskait — 9 years ago(May 06, 2016 12:58 PM)
Also remember, there's a scene at the end where we see the bassinet and there's an upside cross (possibly a crucifix) hanging over it. Also, why are there so many people "concerned" with the baby unless they are all part of the coven?
I'm sorry you missed the double blind tricks before this end scene.- We see Rosemary stop taking her Anti-Psychotic medicine and starts to hear baby cries.
- When she enters this "Secret Passage" it is strictly her POV. Both times it is used, it is in Rosemary's POV and the screen goes black as she enters it. We never get a third person view of this closet passage being used. We NEVER see anyone use it outside Rosemary's presence.
Think. Why didn't Guy use it to get to Roman and Minnie's apartment at the end? Why use the halls to get to their "party" when he could just use the back door?
So if you follow the Pre plus Post partum Psychotic Rosemary story, you will interpret all of this as a psychotic hallucination. Rosemary didn't leave her room or maybe she is already committed to a hospital (there is a hint that this is so, did you see it?). What we see in the end is not real, its all in her head.
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knight-in-black-leather — 9 years ago(May 06, 2016 08:27 PM)
I'm sorry you missed the double blind tricks before this end scene.
- We see Rosemary stop taking her Anti-Psychotic medicine and starts to hear baby cries.
- When she enters this "Secret Passage" it is strictly her POV. Both times it is used, it is in Rosemary's POV and the screen goes black as she enters it. We never get a third person view of this closet passage being used. We NEVER see anyone use it outside Rosemary's presence.
Think. Why didn't Guy use it to get to Roman and Minnie's apartment at the end? Why use the halls to get to their "party" when he could just use the back door?
So if you follow the Pre plus Post partum Psychotic Rosemary story, you will interpret all of this as a psychotic hallucination. Rosemary didn't leave her room or maybe she is already committed to a hospital (there is a hint that this is so, did you see it?). What we see in the end is not real, its all in her head.
But this goes to my point kaskait, which is Polanski did not make it clear that this was allegedly only in Rosemary's mind.
The neighbours are far too interested in Rosemary and her baby to be just casual acquaintances. Also, the night Rosemary "conceives" her child, she is given chocolate mousse from Minnie, which Rosemary's describes as having a "chalky" taste. At this point, Rosemary has no reason to be suspicious of her or Roman, so we can't blame it on her mind playing tricks on her. During her pregnancy, Rosemary suffers great discomfort, even her friends notice how bad she looksall the while taking Minnie's special drinks. We also see her eat a piece of meat almost rare.
Lastly, we have the tagline for the film:
"Pray for Rosemary's Baby"
As I mentioned before, Polanski may have wanted to keep the film ambiguous, but it's very clear to me and almost everyone else that Rosemary's baby was the spawn of satan and this is what the author Ira Levin, intended.
Take care
This is a faithful sayingJesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
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kaskait — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 07:55 PM)
But this goes to my point kaskait, which is Polanski did not make it clear that this was allegedly only in Rosemary's mind.
Polanski made the film so that Both interpretations can be followed. That is why I say the viewer can choose which to follow. I don't discount the devil story. But I think the rational explanation is inherently more frightening. Losing track of reality can happen to anyone at any time and that is frightening.
The neighbours are far too interested in Rosemary and her baby to be just casual acquaintances.
Or you can make another valid deduction that says they are two, lonely elderly people without children or grandchildren and they like to talk a lot.
Also, the night Rosemary "conceives" her child, she is given chocolate mousse from Minnie, which Rosemary's describes as having a "chalky" taste.
Chalky taste in the mouth is a common ailment for pregnancy. So we can also conclude that Rosemary was already a few days to a few weeks pregnant.
At this point, Rosemary has no reason to be suspicious of her or Roman, so we can't blame it on her mind playing tricks on her.
She was already against Roman. She noticed the missing pictures on their walls. She didn't like how he insulted the pope. She also didn't like that he took Guy's attention away from her.
During her pregnancy, Rosemary suffers great discomfort, even her friends notice how bad she looksall the while taking Minnie's special drinks.
The alternate explanation is that Guy raped and beat her. If he injured her, she would have pain since there was internal injury and the fetus was pushing against it.
We also see her eat a piece of meat almost rare.
So easy, we know women have food cravings during pregnancy. Also many of Rosemary's symptoms (fainting, dizziness) is commonly a symptom of anemia. A craving for raw meat (the body needs iron) would be understandable. It is also a good reason why her Dr. wanted another blood test done.
Lastly, we have the tagline for the film: "Pray for Rosemary's Baby"
Again two fold. Pray because there are witches. Or pray because the mother is experiencing psychosis and endangering her own child. I believe due to her running about the city in a panicky, psychotic state caused her to miscarry. -
BeOneOfUs — 10 years ago(March 16, 2016 11:52 AM)
Like I already said, whether the director wanted people to perceive it that way or not, I am not going to lol.
This a supernatural horror movie about a lady who is having the devil's baby
It's not a metaphor.
There is zero indication that it is all in her head.
Polanski is clearly confused about his own film.
I doubt he had this in mind when he made it back in the 60's.
Anyway, I don't really care if he did.
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BeOneOfUs — 10 years ago(March 16, 2016 11:53 AM)
Like I already said, whether the director wanted people to perceive it that way or not, I am not going to lol.
This a supernatural horror movie about a lady who is having the devil's baby
It's not a metaphor.
There is zero indication that it is all in her head.
Polanski is clearly confused about his own film.
I doubt he had this in mind when he made it back in the 60's.
Anyway, I don't really care if he did.
To me it will always be a literal, supernatural horror. -
kaskait — 10 years ago(March 17, 2016 06:51 PM)
Like I already said, whether the director wanted people to perceive it that way or not, I am not going to lol.
That is your choice, but the creator of this film clearly states that he encoded TWO stories into the film.
Polanski is clearly confused about his own film.
I doubt he had this in mind when he made it back in the 60's
No, the only one confused is you.
Polanski was quite clear minded about this film to the point of having the set designed to be a maze. You can see it in the documentary and the fact that everyone on set had a map to tell them how to get to certain areas. Kubrick used the same trick in The Shining. This was all to support the shadow story of insanity that was a theme in this film. -
MsLadybird99 — 9 years ago(May 11, 2016 03:35 PM)
As far as she knows her husband violently ravaged her while she was passed out cold, leaving bloody marks on her body, and then expects her to get up fix him breakfast. He was a pig, even without the Satan part. She was wimp for not punching him square in the nuts after he slapped her butt.
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kaskait — 9 years ago(October 14, 2016 01:13 PM)
Rosemary is present in the scene. We see her flipping out while little, old people seemingly tiptoe around her.
You would have a point if Rosemary was not in frame and we saw a true, third person confirmation of people using that door.
But we never do, we only see it when Rosemary is out of her mind. -
fiatlux-1 — 10 years ago(March 18, 2016 07:15 PM)
Like I already said, whether the director wanted people to perceive it that way or not, I am not going to lol.
This a supernatural horror movie about a lady who is having the devil's baby
It's not a metaphor.
There is zero indication that it is all in her head.
Polanski is clearly confused about his own film.
I doubt he had this in mind when he made it back in the 60's.
Anyway, I don't really care if he did.
To me it will always be a literal, supernatural horror.
Good post. I agree 100%.
Its clear this was meant to be a horror tale. The original novel by Ira Levin never even suggests otherwise.
And Polanski has also said he wanted to 'be as faithful as he could' to Levin's novel.
And watching the film, he succeeded.
Why anyone even wants to believe otherwise is a mystery.
Is it so bad or hard to believe that its a horror tale???
I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
Penfold, shush.